It's tough off the back tees

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It's Saturday morning, it's the monthly medal and you're on the first tee with a card in your pocket.
Some people rise to the challenge and go out and and shoot net 65.
Others play rubbish, despite playing well in bounce games all month and it's another 0.1

Now in theory, golfers only have to endure the back tees 3 times a year to keep their h/caps active so the rest of the year is probably off the yellows with their mates.

So, should your h/cap be calculated on 3 rounds off the back tees when you get all angry/frustrated/miserable or...
Should it be calculated on the other 25-40 'bounce' games off the yellows when you're more relaxed and play your best golf?
I'm not suggesting adopting the American system where they hand in a card EVERY TIME they play but....
After all, all courses that I know have a SSS assigned to the yellow tees.
Just a thought.
:)
 
my course, and pretty much every course I know, allow you to play off the whites at any time, and we do as we want to play the 'proper course'.
 
bobmac said:
It's Saturday morning, it's the monthly medal and you're on the first tee with a card in your pocket.
Some people rise to the challenge and go out and and shoot net 65.
Others play rubbish, despite playing well in bounce games all month and it's another 0.1

Now in theory, golfers only have to endure the back tees 3 times a year to keep their h/caps active so the rest of the year is probably off the yellows with their mates.

So, should your h/cap be calculated on 3 rounds off the back tees when you get all angry/frustrated/miserable or...
Should it be calculated on the other 25-40 'bounce' games off the yellows when you're more relaxed and play your best golf?
I'm not suggesting adopting the American system where they hand in a card EVERY TIME they play but....
After all, all courses that I know have a SSS assigned to the yellow tees.
Just a thought.
:)
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Would like to see you handicap reflect your ability to play the course when its at its toughest - which includes comps tees , comp flags and a card in the back pocket.
 
Birchy said:
Only allowed off the whites in club comps and matchplay at my place.
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Same with ours - on most tees its not really much difference - but on a few holes you are talking 10 -20 yards maybe more
 
Whites are always available at my club.. I can't remember the last time I played off the Yellows to be honest.. Quite a sizeable difference as well. When they put the Big Comp tees on, some holes are as much as 50 - 60 yards longer.....
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Would like to see you handicap reflect your ability to play the course when its at its toughest - which includes comps tees , comp flags and a card in the back pocket.
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So their h/cap would be fair for 3 games a year and too high for the vast majority of ordinary games they play for the rest of the year ?
 
bobmac said:
So their h/cap would be fair for 3 games a year and too high for the vast majority of ordinary games they play for the rest of the year ?
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Their handicap would be fair everytime they play a singles qualifier :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Their handicap would be fair everytime they play a singles qualifier :thup:
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Im with Phil on this. It's not difficult to keep a track of your bounce games. I play off 23 in comps, 19 with mates. Part to do with easier tees, less pressure and variety of courses.

For or me, when I'm in a comp I want everyone of their proper handicap.
 
All mens q comps are off whites at ours although it was off the stones last week when HID had another cut. Yellows over winter. Whites playable all summer as well. Not sure if visiting groups can only play off the yellow though.
 
bobmac said:
Which could be as few as 3 per year




Maybe we could all have 2 h/caps.
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I don't think it's particularly difficult. Me and friends start year with club handicap, winner when we go out gets obligatory 1 cut, .1 for rest and .5 for loser. I play more with mates than comps. But find it easy enough to calculate.
 
bobmac said:
Which could be as few as 3 per year




Maybe we could all have 2 h/caps.
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It could be - then it would be up to each swindle or roll up group how the look after the handicaps - in one roll up we are cut as per comps.

I dont know many at ours that only play three comps and then play loads of roll ups to get the money or matchplays etc ? Maybe its not widespread and its more about the odd case.

If the odd people want to only play three medals or singles qualifying comps then let them deal with their own actions - i know when it comes to our handicap reviews - matchplay results are taken into consideration and adjustments are made - i did it this year - had a few complaints but backed up my actions with evidence.

I fully intend to the best of my ability to ensure at least at our club people play to as close as possible the right handicap - it maybe a pipe dream but im going to give it a go and no doubt upset people ( i dont mind that :D )along the way - hopefully i will have the backing of the management committee
 
I regularly try shots in bounce games that I wouldn't dream of in medals, Hollywood flop shots for example, so I think most players have a different mindset when comparing medals to bounce games
 
bobmac said:
Now in theory, golfers only have to endure the back tees 3 times a year to keep their h/caps active so the rest of the year is probably off the yellows with their mates.

So, should your h/cap be calculated on 3 rounds off the back tees when you get all angry/frustrated/miserable or...

After all, all courses that I know have a SSS assigned to the yellow tees.
Just a thought.
:)
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1. you don't have to play any comps ever to keep your handicap active - you only need to return 3 Q cards over a measured course so you could play 3 supplemental cards over the yellows (or other measured course - some have 4 measured courses!)
2. many courses/clubs run comps from different tees at different times; we will have Q comps off the Blues, Whites and Yellows over the next few weeks. The SSS's are all different of course.
3. On many courses it's the conditions that make a bigger difference than the tees in play - although there are courses where the difference is significant; most noticeably those with a carry from most tees (West Hill was a good example at last years H4H but there are even better ones).
3. you can of course always go and play in open Q comps at short 'easy' courses if length is such an issue for handicapping - generally people move to clubs/courses that they feel suits their game anyway.
4. on many well designed courses a move to the forward tees can just mean you are hitting a shorter club off the tee - the target remains the same, as does the second shot! Admittedly this doesn't apply to that many courses (unfortunately).
 
I think it could be an issue if people are taking the money at feh roll ups that don't have a true active handicap cause they don't play enough comps.
I am one of those people that wins my fair share of cash at roll ups but find it hard to commit in advance to enter comps due to family commitments so I naturally play more roll ups as and when I can.
The simple answer in our roll up is everyone plays of 3/4 handicap which seams to even things out a little.
I do concur that my competition pressure handicap of 17 is accurate but I can and do play to singles in my frendly roll up
 
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