Is this question ok?

[Robobum]

Two players with similar short chips from just off the fringe.

Player 1 plays and knocks it pin high, a foot to the right. (Perfect little backstop for Player 2's chip.

Player 1 asks Playe 2 "do you want me to leave that there?"

Any penalty?

 

[Crow]

By the way the question is worded I'd say yes as it suggests that Player 2 "wants" it there to gain the advantage and therefore collusion with Player 1.

If Player A had asked "would you like that marked" then it's a whole different scenario.

A tricky one and I'll be interested in the opinion of the rules gurus.

 

[duncan mackie]

By the way the question is worded I'd say yes as it suggests that Player 2 "wants" it there to gain the advantage and therefore collusion with Player 1.

If Player A had asked "would you like that marked" then it's a whole different scenario.

A tricky one and I'll be interested in the opinion of the rules gurus.

Agreed. Player A has a responsibility to the field and, having recognised that his ball may be of advantage to B he should mark it.

BUT (big but) it's probably the single most flouted rule on the tour where do as you would be done by seems to be the order of the day!

 

[Colin L]

I can’t see just asking the question as a breach of any rule although there is dodgy intent. If Player 2 says, “No, please mark it” all is well and Player 1 is not penalised, but if he says “Yes” and the ball is left in position then both players have breached R22-1:

In stroke play, if the Committee determines that competitors have agreed not to lift a ball that might assist any competitor, they are disqualified.

I’d say it takes two consenting adults in this instance for an illegal tango.

 

[rulefan]

I agree with Colin.

No penalty for asking but DQ for both if player 2 agrees.

Decision 22/6 says a request or suggestion is improper but only says there is a penalty for an agreement.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seen a pro be penalised because the Amatuer asked if he should leave his ball next to the pin - pro said yes and used it to hold a chip. Not sure how much he was penalised

 

[Robobum]

I wanted it left there as it was a good marker/ helper for me.

When he asked it, I was already taking practice strokes and just about to address the ball to play. I said "you can't ask me that mate" and went ahead and took my shot.

What do you think? DQ or not?

 

[rulefan]

Yes, DQ

 

[Lazkir]

Isn't it one of those where a look can convey the intent, but as soon as anything is asked out loud then it's classed as breaking the rule?

I've been told that as long as no one asks or says anything then that's fine. Is it the same in team games?

 

[Colin L]

I wanted it left there as it was a good marker/ helper for me.

When he asked it, I was already taking practice strokes and just about to address the ball to play. I said "you can't ask me that mate" and went ahead and took my shot.

What do you think? DQ or not?

You needed to ask him to mark it and to wait until he did so.

 

[Robobum]

I meant to get it sorted at the end of the round but forgot and had to shoot off. Have emailed the tournament chairman today with situation.

 

[rulefan]

I've been told that as long as no one asks or says anything then that's fine.

By whom?

Is it the same in team games?

Yes

 

[Lazkir]

By whom?

Several times by different people.

I was told (whilst playing in a 123 waltz) that I was not allowed to ask a PP to leave their ball where it was on the green, as that would be a penalty. But if we just carried without anybody asking anything then it was not a breach of the rules as it couldn't be classed as collusion because nobody colluded.