Is "Standard" standard anymore..?

[Imurg]

OK there's no industry standard for anything but each manufacturer has their own "Standard" off the shelf length/lie etc etc.
Reading about the Ping fitting in the mag today and all 4 had some adjustment from Ping's "standard". I believe one of the fitters said it was quite common to have to adjust the lie by some way..

So are the manufacturers " standard" clubs actually standard anymore?
If the majority need some adjustment then is this "standard" wrong?
If everyone was custom fitted for clubs surely taking a midpoint for each adjustment and using that as a Base Standard makes more sense.
Although Ping's lie fitting chart has 12 colours I would guess the majority have their lie upright - Blue and Green seem to be popular. How many end up with a lie 3.75° flat..?

Does anyone know anyone who has been through a proper custom fit and come out with"Standard" clubs..?

 

[duncan mackie]

If the majority need some adjustment then is this "standard" wrong?

not necessarily - as long as the standard is the largest representative group it would be right; nothing to do with majority.

btw many have had a separate Asian 'standard' for some time as well.

 

[Alex1975]

My first set of Mizuno irons were fitted as "your somewhere between 1* up and standard, I think we will leave them as standard". But that is of course Mizuno standard and I understand that for example Titleist standard is very different on lie angle.

That said I recently had my loft and lies done and the first 5 clubs he checked all had 61* lie angle so either I got the "Friday afternoon set" as the club maker put it or I have whacked them so much on hard surfaces that they somehow all ended up at 61* I dont know.

Used car salesmen, dentists and estate agents get a bad rap but in my opinion no industry is as shonky as the golf industry.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I have standard lie (Ping black dot)

But I do have 1/2 or 1 inch taken off, I can't remember which.

 

[Maninblack4612]

How many end up with a lie 3.75° flat..?

Me and anyone else who is 6 feet tall with a 30½" inside leg. Matt Kuchar, for example.

 

[Ethan]

Standard is still standard, in the same way Large or size 12 is standard between brands and across time. In other words, they are widely variable.

Two set of standard irons in AG may differ by 3 or 4 degrees of loft, an inch in shaft length, a couple of degrees in lie and have shafts that say the same R or S but play wildly differently. Add up the differences and the end result could be chalk and cheese.

 

[Alex1975]

Standard is still standard, in the same way Large or size 12 is standard between brands and across time. In other words, they are widely variable.

Two set of standard irons in AG may differ by 3 or 4 degrees of loft, an inch in shaft length, a couple of degrees in lie and have shafts that say the same R or S but play wildly differently. Add up the differences and the end result could be chalk and cheese.

I guess if "OEM A" has a 37.25" 6 iron and "OEM B" has a 38.00" 6 iron the lie angle cant be the same....

 

[Crow]

Me.

 

[Evesdad]

Well I was maroon dot on my ping fitting and I'm 6'2".

 

[patricks148]

OK there's no industry standard for anything but each manufacturer has their own "Standard" off the shelf length/lie etc etc.
Reading about the Ping fitting in the mag today and all 4 had some adjustment from Ping's "standard". I believe one of the fitters said it was quite common to have to adjust the lie by some way..

So are the manufacturers " standard" clubs actually standard anymore?
If the majority need some adjustment then is this "standard" wrong?
If everyone was custom fitted for clubs surely taking a midpoint for each adjustment and using that as a Base Standard makes more sense.
Although Ping's lie fitting chart has 12 colours I would guess the majority have their lie upright - Blue and Green seem to be popular. How many end up with a lie 3.75° flat..?

Does anyone know anyone who has been through a proper custom fit and come out with"Standard" clubs..?

All 3 sets of Mizuno irons ive had have been standard, for length and Lie, all have been CF.

The only change has been the col of the grips

 

[davidy233]

I got fitted for my Speedblades and ended up with standard loft and lie

 

[HomerJSimpson]

At least with Ping and their black dot you get a set of parameters to start with and can than work out your best option from there. I'm green dot as I need a more upright set up. I can't think of too many other manufacturers that at least give you a starting point

 

[BTatHome]

At least with Ping and their black dot you get a set of parameters to start with and can than work out your best option from there. I'm green dot as I need a more upright set up. I can't think of too many other manufacturers that at least give you a starting point

Does that really help when the starting point for ping iron is different from each model? If you buy i25 its different standard lie that Karsten .... so is it really any different to comparison to TM irons etc?

So your example of green dot surely only works for that one set of irons you have now.