Is my new handicap correct?

[ahghskdmsheu]

Hi guys,

So I submitted my first ever 3 cards the other day for my first handicap. After limiting anything over a double bogey to a +2 my 3 cards were as follows: 22, 25 and 18. During those rounds I didn't get a single birdie and had twice as many double bogeys than pars.

My handicap has been calculated at 16. I was under the impression your handicap is based on your best round, which for me would have been 18. I was told that it was put into a computer and 16 was the number that was churned out.

Is this the norm?

 

[duncan mackie]

Looks correct

You multiply the best by around 0.9 then round down the result to arrive at the actual allocation now.

 

[ahghskdmsheu]

Oh is this a new method?

Also I'm from the UK.

 

[duncan mackie]

It's the method set out in the CONGU manual

 

[ScienceBoy]

Sounds harsh but maybe my only chance to get single figures!

 

[GreggerKBR]

Did you work out your score to Par or did you calculate it against the SSS of the tee's played?
= Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential (‘LAGD‘)
IE if par is 72 and SSS is 70 then you are x2 strokes adrift from your initial calculation.

I'm not sure about score x 0.9 rounded down - thought I understood CONGU okay? Just reading up and all I found was this -

16.3 The Handicap Committee has the following responsibilities and discretions in regard to theallotment of handicaps.(a) If a handicap has been previously held, refer to Clause 26 (Regaining a Handicap).Otherwise the initial handicap shall be allotted as in (b) below.(b) The Handicap Committee shall
1. Adjust any score of more than 2 over par for men and 3 over Par for women atany hole to 2 [3] over par respectively.
2. Add the nine-hole scores (if applicable) to make up 18-hole equivalents inchronological order. If a club has more than one Designated Nine-HoleCourses each pair of nine-hole scores must be returned over courses havingthe same Designated Nine-Hole SSSs for the gender of player concerned.
3. Calculate the Adjusted Gross Differential (‘AGD‘) scores from the three 18 hole(or 18-hole equivalent) scores; these scores being calculated by comparingthe returns relative to the SSS’s of the courses/tees used:
AGD = Adjusted Gross Score – SSS for the course/tees usedDetermine the Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential (‘LAGD‘) from the threeAdjusted Gross Differentials
4. Reduce the resulting LAGD according to the formula;Initial Handicap = (LAGD + (LAGD*0.13))/ 1.237 truncated to provide a wholenumber.

For example, a player with a Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential of 31 isallotted an initial handicap of 28 (which is recorded as an Exact Handicap of28.0) as shown below:
Initial Handicap
= (31 + (31*0.13)/1.237
= (31 + 4.03)/1.237
= (35.03/1.237)
= 28.31 truncated to 28 and recorded as an Exact Handicap of 28.0.
After these adjustments have been made the whole number Exact Handicap shall,subject to the provisions of Clauses 16.3(c) and 16.3(e), be allotted.
(c) The Handicap Committee must consider all the information available to it in relation tothe player’s ability and any previously held handicap before allotment of a handicap.After due consideration, the Handicap Committee may allot a player an initial wholenumber Exact Handicap less than that calculated as per 16.3(b) above if it hasreason to consider that a lower handicap is more appropriate to the player’s ability. Inexceptional circumstances a higher handicap may be allotted than that indicatedabove.You can research further here
http://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=633
or
http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=21276&itemtype=document

 

[duncan mackie]

Did you work out your score to Par or did you calculate it against the SSS of the tee's played?
= Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential (‘LAGD‘)
IE if par is 72 and SSS is 70 then you are x2 strokes adrift from your initial calculation.

I'm not sure about score x 0.9 rounded down - thought I understood CONGU okay? Just reading up and all I found was this -

16.3 The Handicap Committee has the following responsibilities and discretions in regard to theallotment of handicaps.(a) If a handicap has been previously held, refer to Clause 26 (Regaining a Handicap).Otherwise the initial handicap shall be allotted as in (b) below.(b) The Handicap Committee shall
1. Adjust any score of more than 2 over par for men and 3 over Par for women atany hole to 2 [3] over par respectively.
2. Add the nine-hole scores (if applicable) to make up 18-hole equivalents inchronological order. If a club has more than one Designated Nine-HoleCourses each pair of nine-hole scores must be returned over courses havingthe same Designated Nine-Hole SSSs for the gender of player concerned.
3. Calculate the Adjusted Gross Differential (‘AGD‘) scores from the three 18 hole(or 18-hole equivalent) scores; these scores being calculated by comparingthe returns relative to the SSS’s of the courses/tees used:
AGD = Adjusted Gross Score – SSS for the course/tees usedDetermine the Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential (‘LAGD‘) from the threeAdjusted Gross Differentials
4. Reduce the resulting LAGD according to the formula;Initial Handicap = (LAGD + (LAGD*0.13))/ 1.237 truncated to provide a wholenumber.

For example, a player with a Lowest Adjusted Gross Differential of 31 isallotted an initial handicap of 28 (which is recorded as an Exact Handicap of28.0) as shown below:
Initial Handicap
= (31 + (31*0.13)/1.237
= (31 + 4.03)/1.237
= (35.03/1.237)
= 28.31 truncated to 28 and recorded as an Exact Handicap of 28.0.
After these adjustments have been made the whole number Exact Handicap shall,subject to the provisions of Clauses 16.3(c) and 16.3(e), be allotted.
(c) The Handicap Committee must consider all the information available to it in relation tothe player’s ability and any previously held handicap before allotment of a handicap.After due consideration, the Handicap Committee may allot a player an initial wholenumber Exact Handicap less than that calculated as per 16.3(b) above if it hasreason to consider that a lower handicap is more appropriate to the player’s ability. Inexceptional circumstances a higher handicap may be allotted than that indicatedabove.You can research further here
http://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=633
or
http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=21276&itemtype=document

Reading my post I can see how it looks like "The actual procedure" rather than the intended 'looks about right because at 18 it works out at roughly 0.9 times for the actual allocation'.
Sorry to confuse.

 

[lukeysafc100]

looks correct - I personally think the new calculation is a bit harsh! its a shame because it will make people get sick of going up .1
lots of improvement to do before you can actually play to your handicap!

 

[duncan mackie]

looks correct - I personally think the new calculation is a bit harsh! its a shame because it will make people get sick of going up .1
lots of improvement to do before you can actually play to your handicap!

Agree its harsh on someone who has played a fair bit and then decides to get a handicap.

For someone taking up the game, or starting to play more and join a club, it works very well.

 

[backwoodsman]

I'm not sure about score x 0.9 rounded down - thought I understood CONGU okay? Just reading up and all I found was this -

The "0.9 rounded down" is the simple mathematical equivalent of the CONGU formula.

I'm sure there's a reason for it, but I don’t understand why Congu present the formula as they do? (LAGD +(LAGD * 0.13))/ 1.237 is the same as LAGD * 0.9135. Which is a much simpler way of saying it?