Internet Trolls

[Deleted member 15344]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29678989

its about time too as well - some people have lost their lives because of internet trolls and cant believe it has taken them this long to act.

 

[CMAC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29678989

its about time too as well - some people have lost their lives because of internet trolls and cant believe it has taken them this long to act.

Agreed, and the first ones need to be made an example of i.e if a court deems not a custodial sentence based on severity (prisons are busting at the seams) then they need to be hit hard with a serious financial fine. I'd go so far to add confiscation of any technology for a period and banned from internet use (how you police that though?) plus community service.

 

[c1973]

Sticks and stones.............

2 years in jail for calling people names, really? You'd more than likely get less time for breaking somebodys nose.

As much as I find the comments in the link (and general behaviour of some online) deplorable, there is a block function available. I would suggest people use it. Some folks need to 'grow a pair' imo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sticks and stones.............

2 years in jail for calling people names, really? You'd more than likely get less time for breaking somebodys nose.

As much as I find the comments in the link (and general behaviour of some online) deplorable, there is a block function available. I would suggest people use it. Some folks need to 'grow a pair' imo.

Young teenagers and kids have taken their lives because of abuse suffered online

Words and images can be just as harmful as physical attacks - with a physical attack you can see the pain - with mental abuse its hard to see.

Robin Williams daughter was sent pictures of her father with bruises round his neck ?! Its not on and something needs to be done

 

[CMAC]

Sticks and stones.............

2 years in jail for calling people names, really? You'd more than likely get less time for breaking somebodys nose.

As much as I find the comments in the link (and general behaviour of some online) deplorable, there is a block function available. I would suggest people use it. Some folks need to 'grow a pair' imo.

interesting viewpoint.

How would you feel if daily, sometimes hourly, you had letters through your door threatening serious harm to you and your family which included pictures and detail about your movements?
It's this and worse some people suffer and it is becoming worse hence the new laws.

 

[c1973]

Young teenagers and kids have taken their lives because of abuse suffered online

Words and images can be just as harmful as physical attacks - with a physical attack you can see the pain - with mental abuse its hard to see.

Robin Williams daughter was sent pictures of her father with bruises round his neck ?! Its not on and something needs to be done

Nah, sorry Phil, have to disagree, for me physical abuse is worse.

Online you can click a button and block the abuse from coming in, click another and you delete the abuse.in other words, you have control of it, the power is in your hands. Much harder (for most, I'd suggest) to block the age zuki or right hook imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you stand by and do nothing but who decides what words are harmful and cause distress? You? Me? What you find harmful might not be viewed as such by others and vice versa. I just think the possibility of 2 years in the nick for, let's say, calling someone a fat cow for example is ridiculous.

 

[c1973]

interesting viewpoint.

How would you feel if daily, sometimes hourly, you had letters through your door threatening serious harm to you and your family which included pictures and detail about your movements?
It's this and worse some people suffer and it is becoming worse hence the new laws.

Details and pictures of your movements is stalking. Whole different ball game imo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nah, sorry Phil, have to disagree, for me physical abuse is worse.

Online you can click a button and block the abuse from coming in, click another and you delete the abuse.in other words, you have control of it, the power is in your hands. Much harder (for most, I'd suggest) to block the age zuki or right hook imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you stand by and do nothing but who decides what words are harmful and cause distress? You? Me? What you find harmful might not be viewed as such by others and vice versa. I just think the possibility of 2 years in the nick for, let's say, calling someone a fat cow for example is ridiculous.

Sorry but that sort of thing is the reason why teenagers have killed themselves - they dont kill himself after getting a punch or a kick - they kill themselves after seeing people abuse them and take the micheal out of them on the internet - it can be very very lief changing - clicking doesnt make that abuse you have seen disappear from you mind - its always there - calling someone a fat cow could be that tipping point for a young girl to kill herself

A bruise can go away - a mental bruise can sit and fester.

there i no "worse" they are both as bad and should be treated as such.

The human mind reacts so differently for every single person - not everyone can just switch off.

 

[c1973]

Sorry but that sort of thing is the reason why teenagers have killed themselves - they dont kill himself after getting a punch or a kick - they kill themselves after seeing people abuse them and take the micheal out of them on the internet - it can be very very lief changing - clicking doesnt make that abuse you have seen disappear from you mind - its always there - calling someone a fat cow could be that tipping point for a young girl to kill herself

A bruise can go away - a mental bruise can sit and fester.

there i no "worse" they are both as bad and should be treated as such.

The human mind reacts so differently for every single person - not everyone can just switch off.

I'd suggest that people have killed themselves after on going physical abuse, not 'a' punch or kick as you say granted. I'd also balance it by saying I doubt if anyone has taken their life after 'a' tweet or email containing abuse'. The point being I'm talking about on going abuse, not a one off kicking.

A bruise does go away, yes. A badly broken nose does not go away though.

Totally agree with your last sentence though, everyone is indeed different; which is why I asked who decides what words are harmful and distressing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd suggest that people have killed themselves after on going physical abuse, not 'a' punch or kick as you say granted. I'd also balance it by saying I doubt if anyone has taken their life after 'a' tweet or email containing abuse'. The point being I'm talking about on going abuse, not a one off kicking.

A bruise does go away, yes. A badly broken nose does not go away though.

Totally agree with your last sentence though, everyone is indeed different; which is why I asked who decides what words are harmful and distressing.

People have though

The person on the recieving end will give a good clue to if the words are offensive enough

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...arget-girl-15-who-killed-herself-8210971.html

 

[c1973]

People have though

The person on the recieving end will give a good clue to if the words are offensive enough

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/aug/06/hannah-smith-online-bullying

The websites repsonse - "she trolled herself"

The thing is though, not one of us (I would think) knows what's going on in someone's life in order to make them suicidal. Sure, an online comment could well be the tipping point, but what about anything else that could, just possibly, have been a contributory factor? How do we determine what made that person suicidal?

Should the one person who makes the last (perceived) bullying online comment be charged? Or should it be everyone who has made a comment? What about those who have commented in person?

I just don't think it's quite as simple as some may think. Suicidal feelings are a very complex issue indeed and I don't believe a knee jerk decision is the way to go, which is what I believe this is.

 

[guest100718]

Depends on what your definition of a troll is. It seems like that has changed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The thing is though, not one of us (I would think) knows what's going on in someone's life in order to make them suicidal. Sure, an online comment could well be the tipping point, but what about anything else that could, just possibly, have been a contributory factor? How do we determine what made that person suicidal?

Should the one person who makes the last (perceived) bullying online comment be charged? Or should it be everyone who has made a comment? What about those who have commented in person?

I just don't think it's quite as simple as some may think. Suicidal feelings are a very complex issue indeed and I don't believe a knee jerk decision is the way to go, which is what I believe this is.

Its not simple and it wont just be the one person etc but you cant just dismiss comments made to people as "sticks and stones"

Its been shown and proven that mental as well as physical bullying either online or in person harms - it has ruined peoples lives and has infact taken some peoples lives

Thats why these strengthened laws have come into place

What right does anyone have to post abuse to Robin Williams daughter after her father had passed away - it needs to be stopped

People need to learn that just because you are hiding behind a keyboard and are faceless doesnt meant you have the license to say what you want to whoever you want without having responsibility for those comments - this isnt knee jerk - this is action after years of people abusing others online

Online abuse and bullying is no different than being abused face to face - its wrong and it needs to stop

 

[c1973]

Its not simple and it wont just be the one person etc but you cant just dismiss comments made to people as "sticks and stones"

Its been shown and proven that mental as well as physical bullying either online or in person harms - it has ruined peoples lives and has infact taken some peoples lives

Thats why these strengthened laws have come into place

What right does anyone have to post abuse to Robin Williams daughter after her father had passed away - it needs to be stopped

People need to learn that just because you are hiding behind a keyboard and are faceless doesnt meant you have the license to say what you want to whoever you want without having responsibility for those comments - this isnt knee jerk - this is action after years of people abusing others online

Online abuse and bullying is no different than being abused face to face - its wrong and it needs to stop

But, as I've aluded to, who has done the damage; the person who has made the tipping point comment or whoever/whatever has made the person suicidal in the first place?

BTW, please don't think I'm saying it's ok, I'm not. I think abusing people online is cowardly and reprehensible. I hope we're clear on that. I'm just of the opinion that you ignore it or click the block button if the comments are so hurtful. Why let it continue? I don't understand that, never will.


Anyway, I've only paid for the five minute argument not the half hour one (joke btw ) so I'll agree it's wrong but disagree on other areas surrounding it,if that's ok with you? :thup:

 

[sandmagnet]

There are so many forms of bullying and abuse from workplace to private life in this world! But IMO the biggest problem is low self esteem and people fight that by bullying others and thinking they deserve it. I find it all shocking and disgusting and should be put a stop to! Mostly I would hate it to happen to my kids so it is a good move IMO .

 

[CMAC]

But, as I've aluded to, who has done the damage; the person who has made the tipping point comment or whoever/whatever has made the person suicidal in the first place?

BTW, please don't think I'm saying it's ok, I'm not. I think abusing people online is cowardly and reprehensible. I hope we're clear on that. I'm just of the opinion that you ignore it or click the block button if the comments are so hurtful. Why let it continue? I don't understand that, never will.


Anyway, I've only paid for the five minute argument not the half hour one (joke btw ) so I'll agree it's wrong but disagree on other areas surrounding it,if that's ok with you? :thup:

you do realise how easy it is to have numerous twitter/FB accounts?

 

[c1973]

you do realise how easy it is to have numerous twitter/FB accounts?

Yep, but I'll bet it's a lot easier to block and/or ignore them than it is to create them.

You see folks trolling on internet forums (even this one) and who do they go after? Yep, the ones that give them a reaction, not the ones that block/ignore them.
They are sad individuals who get a kick from the reaction to their idiotic posts/comments. Take away the reaction and you take away their reason for posting their nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yep, but I'll bet it's a lot easier to block and/or ignore them than it is to create them.

You see folks trolling on internet forums (even this one) and who do they go after? Yep, the ones that give them a reaction, not the ones that block/ignore them.
They are sad individuals who get a kick from the reaction to their idiotic posts/comments. Take away the reaction and you take away their reason for posting their nonsense.

As i said earlier - the damage could have already been done before the blocking happened - they have already the insults and abuse etc - you cant bloke that out of your mind

 

[c1973]

As i said earlier - the damage could have already been done before the blocking happened - they have already the insults and abuse etc - you cant bloke that out of your mind

And as I indicated in my response earlier, who is to say it was comments on the internet that initially made them suicidal?

I said it earlier and I'll leave it as my last comment on the subject (as it's come full circle) what's worse, the tipping point comment or the reasons (which could be vast and varied) that led to an individual becoming suicidal in the first place?



I notice Gerry McCann (sp?) commented that 'something needs to be done' about internet trolls. Who in your mind is more deserving of 2 years in the nick, the parents who leave 3 children alone in an unfamiliar surrounding or the person on the internet abusing the parents for doing so? Who is more deserving of being hounded by media outlets (resulting in a suicide)?

I know what my answer is.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And as I indicated in my response earlier, who is to say it was comments on the internet that initially made them suicidal?

I said it earlier and I'll leave it as my last comment on the subject (as it's come full circle) what's worse, the tipping point comment or the reasons (which could be vast and varied) that led to an individual becoming suicidal in the first place?



I notice Gerry McCann (sp?) commented that 'something needs to be done' about internet trolls. Who in your mind is more deserving of 2 years in the nick, the parents who leave 3 children alone in an unfamiliar surrounding or the person on the internet abusing the parents for doing so? Who is more deserving of being hounded by media outlets (resulting in a suicide)?

I know what my answer is.

the answer could easily be both - one action doesnt excuse another - yes the McCanns messed up but that doesnt mean that someone has the right to abuse them on the internet.

If a person is effected by what is said about her on the internet enough to kill herself then there is something wrong - simple as that