Crazyface
Tour Winner
Are they fair? I don't think so. I am fully aware of why some clubs have them, but should they really be offering cheap as chips golf to over 18's who can, and are, earning more money than some members?
Intermediate Fees
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Going from junior fees to full fees is a heck of a jump, particularly when most 18 yr olds are not earning much. This helps keep them at the club until their earning power increases. Makes sense to me. Can't be many 18yr olds out earning 30 yr olds I wouldn't have thought.
stokie_93
Tour Rookie
I'm 23 and pay way under half of a full membership fee at the moment. Without this I'd probably struggle to play at a half decent course.
I don't get paid anywhere near what a 30 year old does, I'm not on bad money just not enough at the moment.
Ive also got to fork up somewhere in the region of 20,000 for a house deposit.
Add a new car needed for work and petrol money getting to work each month it all adds up.
I think they're perfectly fair and without them there'd be a lot less younger members.
I don't get paid anywhere near what a 30 year old does, I'm not on bad money just not enough at the moment.
Ive also got to fork up somewhere in the region of 20,000 for a house deposit.
Add a new car needed for work and petrol money getting to work each month it all adds up.
I think they're perfectly fair and without them there'd be a lot less younger members.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
does the 30 year old not have to pay for a house, car, petrol etc?
Yes, but they are likely to have made their way further up the payscale. That's inevitable.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
At the end of the day you can argue this many times, there will be those in their early 20s who can afford it comfortably and those that cant. This will be the same for 30 year olds, 40 year olds etc.
Defining what is fair is a bit harder, not so sure fair is why it is done but with a view to getting more younger people playing the game
Defining what is fair is a bit harder, not so sure fair is why it is done but with a view to getting more younger people playing the game
stokie_93
Tour Rookie
Not once did I say they didn't.
Surely it's fairly obvious that on average a 30 year old earns more than someone in their early 20's?
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
I know several in their early 20s who earn decent chunks, have no commitments and hence have huge disposable incomes compared to mates in their 30s who have a house a wife kids etc and have no disposable income
Is is fair that the 20 somethings can afford to play golf and the 30 somethings cant?
Basically its means testing based on age, which will work for some and against others
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Not really. Some in their early 20's will be on a packet. Anyone in computers for a start.
It's a blunt instrument, using age, but it is easier than actual means testing which would be a nonsense for golf clubs. On the whole it will work better than other options of measuring if you can afford to pay or not.
Dasit
Tour Rookie
Most my friends who are also in their 20s don't join clubs, just pay and play from teeofftimes on cheap deals.
Clubs are not worth the value even at intermediate prices. £750 is a lot of money to someone in their mid 20s.
Clubs are not worth the value even at intermediate prices. £750 is a lot of money to someone in their mid 20s.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
a little devils advocate, but why should a leisure activity be means tested?
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Why a "new" car? Most people have to put petrol in their cars to get themselves to work. I'm not saying that you're not finding it a struggle, jesus H, a lot of us are, but why should under 30's be getting preferential treatment?
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Should part timers be getting a reduction for instance?
stokie_93
Tour Rookie
I actually work as an IT Resourcer. I can tell right now I have never had a 20 year old earn more than a 30 year old.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Maybe, but a 20 YO in computers will be on more than a 30 stacking shelves at the supermarket.
stokie_93
Tour Rookie
my car isn't new it was a figure of speech. I had to buy a pretty reliable car as 2 hours of my day is spent commuting.
People that come come out of uni after spending 3 years in a city with no car, no money & no savings are going to have to get stuff initially to set them up. For example a house, car etc. People that come out of uni just don't have the amount of experience a 30 year old does to earn the same wage.
The only anomalies I find at people my age are people that have taken on apprenticeships (something I wish I did) and have worked there way up for 7 years ish.
In my opinion the intermediate fee is a great help but I agree that it should have a limit somewhere. Capping it at 25 would be reasonable in my head.
It isn't. I presume you mean why should this category exist, why should some pay less than others. It is a commercial decision. Clubs do it because they know they would lose too many members of that age group. Keep them a few years at this level and then hopefully they will turn into full members. Lose them now and they may never come back or they may return to another club.
stokie_93
Tour Rookie
Of course they would but that's off their own back isn't it really.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
But a 30 year old shelf stacker will be on more than a 20 year old 2nd year apprentice joiner/electrician/brickie
