Instant Replay in sports

[Pathetic Shark]

Once again we have the usual post-game bleating from supposed-hard done-by managers in football saying they want video replay, use of technology etc. But would it honestly work?

The two sports I follow, American Football and baseball, have employed replay successfully but it has taken time to get there. But those are finite decisions, was a foot out of bounds or not, was the runner safe or out. In football, all you have there would be goal/no goal or a tackle possibly being in or out of the box.

So you introduce challenges for managers in the Premier League (outside of protesting Andy Carroll's hairdo). Any possible penalty decision gets reviewed. How long do you take over deciding penalty/no penalty? Who makes the decision? And unless one person makes every decision for every game, you will still get inconsistency.

And how about if a potential penalty decision is reviewed but before the ball goes out of play, the other team goes down the field and scores. What then?

The one thing I would introduce straight away is any goal, before the other team kicks off, review it to see if offside or not. Then you would stop the "their goal was offside anyway" whinging.

Thoughts?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Once again we have the usual post-game bleating from supposed-hard done-by managers in football saying they want video replay, use of technology etc. But would it honestly work?

The two sports I follow, American Football and baseball, have employed replay successfully but it has taken time to get there. But those are finite decisions, was a foot out of bounds or not, was the runner safe or out. In football, all you have there would be goal/no goal or a tackle possibly being in or out of the box.

So you introduce challenges for managers in the Premier League (outside of protesting Andy Carroll's hairdo). Any possible penalty decision gets reviewed. How long do you take over deciding penalty/no penalty? Who makes the decision? And unless one person makes every decision for every game, you will still get inconsistency.

And how about if a potential penalty decision is reviewed but before the ball goes out of play, the other team goes down the field and scores. What then?

The one thing I would introduce straight away is any goal, before the other team kicks off, review it to see if offside or not. Then you would stop the "their goal was offside anyway" whinging.

Thoughts?

I agree - I do think something needs doing. Both managers given three referrals/challenges?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree - I do think something needs doing. Both managers given three referrals/challenges?

That means someone else watching decisions from every angle then communicating with the manager to decide if he wants to challenge, is the problem too much trial by tv, Ref makes a decision from one angle, some match's would need 33 challenges each and they'd still moan afterwards!

 

[Pathetic Shark]

I really would love to see a league cup game for example played under unlimited challenges. 7.45pm kick off - can you imagine what time that would finish?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I really would love to see a league cup game for example played under unlimited challenges. 7.45pm kick off - can you imagine what time that would finish?

Well after midnight😃

 

[jp5]

1 challenge per team per game, so that it'd be used where a team feels majorly hard done by. Requested by captain at the time it happens. Television official advising referee, same as rugby. Done.

 

[Duckster]

Once again we have the usual post-game bleating from supposed-hard done-by managers in football saying they want video replay, use of technology etc. But would it honestly work?

The two sports I follow, American Football and baseball, have employed replay successfully but it has taken time to get there. But those are finite decisions, was a foot out of bounds or not, was the runner safe or out. In football, all you have there would be goal/no goal or a tackle possibly being in or out of the box.

So you introduce challenges for managers in the Premier League (outside of protesting Andy Carroll's hairdo). Any possible penalty decision gets reviewed. How long do you take over deciding penalty/no penalty? Who makes the decision? And unless one person makes every decision for every game, you will still get inconsistency.

And how about if a potential penalty decision is reviewed but before the ball goes out of play, the other team goes down the field and scores. What then?

The one thing I would introduce straight away is any goal, before the other team kicks off, review it to see if offside or not. Then you would stop the "their goal was offside anyway" whinging.

Thoughts?

Pretty sure I've heard that they are trialling video replay in Italy (?) next season. If that gets the thumbs up then you can guarantee the top leagues will pick it up the year after.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Think the only time to use a replay is by a forth official looking at possible red card issues and penalties where the whistle has already been blown and the 4th official can advise. Like in rugby

Believe giving managers challenges allows it then to become a tactic at times

 

[Beezerk]

Bring it in for pens, red cards etc, I'm all for it. It's about time footy got brought out of the dark ages, I don't buy all that "it will spoil the game" argument.
Too many naff refs making awful decisions these days, and with cameras at all angles the 4th official should be able to make a decision within a reasonable time.

 

[Imurg]

Or, and here's the really radical bit, go back to the Ref being right even when he isn't.......
Make the Refs decision final and stop the whining...
Allowing challenges is the thin end of the wedge....
You have goal line tech - that's fine, often Officials are too far away or unsighted but leave everything else as it is and fine/ban Managers and players who argue with decisions. The Ref gets a split second to make a decision, they're going to get some wrong but they get most right.
And make Pundits go and Ref a game on a Sunday morning - they'll stop whining then....

 

[Rooter]

I'm with Ian, somehow get the players (and managers etc) to respect the ref as per rugby. Yes sir, no sir. Any back chat, you get a free kick moved ten yards closer (as per rugby) or a yellow card. Simple. respect. that's all that's needed.

 

[Tongo]

Football is the most luddite of sports and has taken a glacial approach to embracing technology. Part of me wonders whether the sport actually likes all the controversy and accompanying chat so that the pundits, supporters, media etc have plenty to yammer on about ad infinitum.

Plus there's the unpalatable truth that other sports have got it right with their use of technology and football can't be seen to copy what goes on in other sports. Game clock, citing panel, sin binning have all worked in rugby and would work in football but using an idea that some other sport has implemented really is beyond the footballing pale.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm with Ian, somehow get the players (and managers etc) to respect the ref as per rugby. Yes sir, no sir. Any back chat, you get a free kick moved ten yards closer (as per rugby) or a yellow card. Simple. respect. that's all that's needed.

As much as I'd love this to be the answer, there's too much at stake, the Team that gets relegated next season is guaranteed 90 Million pound, so one bad decision by a Ref is huge to teams if it makes the difference between staying up or even more if it costs a Champions League place, like many had said previously, it's more business than sport now.

 

[Rooter]

As much as I'd love this to be the answer, there's too much at stake, the Team that gets relegated next season is guaranteed 90 Million pound, so one bad decision by a Ref is huge to teams if it makes the difference between staying up or even more if it costs a Champions League place, like many had said previously, it's more business than sport now.

OK, so maybe allow reviews (to be decided by the ref) for serious foul play and goals (was it offside etc) and thats it. do not allow the players or the manager to review, but fundamentally, the ref is in charge and should be respected.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The ship has sailed in regards people accepting ref or linesmans desicions

But in rugby a few times have seen the replay system used far too much and taken a long time at times it has affected the flow of the game

Also believe some refs are becoming over reliant on it

Also how many decisions are down to the refs interpretation - countless times we have seen replay after replay and still people don't agree . Take the Benteke penalty at Palace.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

How hard in this day and age would it be to have a video ref in the stands with access to all the TV angles as in rugby and cricket. Surely for a majority of fouls, penalty decisions, etc the time to review the pictures would be minimal and perhaps two/three minutes tops. I'd prefer the referee to get the say on when it gets referred as opposed to giving a manager the option to review

 

[garyinderry]

Every single team will use their appeal for holding in the box from a corner.

Why would you waste it for a decision elsewhere on the pitch?


I am not a fan of the whole idea btw.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How hard in this day and age would it be to have a video ref in the stands with access to all the TV angles as in rugby and cricket. Surely for a majority of fouls, penalty decisions, etc the time to review the pictures would be minimal and perhaps two/three minutes tops. I'd prefer the referee to get the say on when it gets referred as opposed to giving a manager the option to review

You could have a thousand TV cameras covering the game for a video ref to review and it would still be down to interpratation by an individual, ball to hand/hand ball is a perfect example, if they made the rule black n white, ie, if it hits the hand or arm it's a direct free kick, then at least we know, currently it's down to interpratation of movement.

 

[larmen]

It's fairly easy to review an event which stopped the ball, but how to review a non-event? I mean, if the referee didn't stop the game, do you want to go back and give a penalty at the next dead ball which might be minutes after?

I like American football, and it fits into there. But it doesn't work with football. Hawkeye is OK for goal line decisions, and maybe sometime in the future there will be something similar for offside. But something that needs interpretation probably can't be reviewed in real time.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

It has taken time to make it work in baseball. Managers have one challenge in the first six innings and then umpires' discretion from the 7th onwards when it gets more serious. It is used on safe/out calls which is how it should be to avoid a repeat of Game 6 of the 85 World Series when the Cardinals were screwed over, or the Tigers' pitcher who lost a perfect game on the final play. It is not used for balls/strikes/checked swings - that is down to the home plate umpire as it should be.

Once a call is ruled confirmed/stands/over-turned, no manager may argue the decision - immediate ejection if they do. Replays are all handled from a central TV studio in New York. Average delay is down from 2:47 to 1:52 this season.