inactive handicap but moved golf club

[newbie2014]

A player had an inactive handicap at club 1 often competed in doubles events, but never singles so never had an active handicap. The player then moves to club 2. (both clubs are in England- although club 1 is not affiliated to Congu)
The player then think he can submit three cards at club 2 and get a new handicap. Is this correct or does the inactive handicap at club 1 have any bearing on the club2 handicap?

 

[fundy]

Previous handicap history should always be taken into account when allocating a new handicap, exactly for individuals like this! Shouldnt be allocated a higher hcap than his previous inactive one unless very good reasons

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A player had an inactive handicap at club 1 often competed in doubles events, but never singles so never had an active handicap. The player then moves to club 2. (both clubs are in England- although club 1 is not affiliated to Congu)
The player then think he can submit three cards at club 2 and get a new handicap. Is this correct or does the inactive handicap at club 1 have any bearing on the club2 handicap?

Which club is not affiliated to Congu ? Thought all clubs in England where

And how can the player compete in any comp without an active HC ?

If his HC moves to the new club then it will become active when he puts three cards in plus any relevant cuts applied using those three cards

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Which club is not affiliated to Congu ? Thought all clubs in England where

And how can the player compete in any comp without an active HC ?

If his HC moves to the new club then it will become active when he puts three cards in plus any relevant cuts applied using those three cards

Could be an internal handicap, and considered inactive by the club, rather than CONGU, if they aren't registered?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Could be an internal handicap, and considered inactive by the club, rather than CONGU, if they aren't registered?

Then I don't think that can be classed as an official HC registered with the CDH ?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Then I don't think that can be classed as an official HC registered with the CDH ?

I've learnt from the atticusfinch school clearly. He never said that it was either of those.

This would likely be easier if the OP pointed out what course he is playing at currently.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've learnt from the atticusfinch school clearly. He never said that it was either of those.

This would likely be easier if the OP pointed out what course he is playing at currently.

If it's not either of those then he put three cards in and get an official HC from them and the other inactive HC is irrelevant

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

If it's not either of those then he put three cards in and get an official HC from them and the other inactive HC is irrelevant

I have a feeling that is going to be the correct answer!

 

[Doh]

Surly he would have to have an active handicap even when playing better ball. Unless he only played social golf. If he had a handicap and let it lapse by not playing the required amount of comps in a year the other club should take this in to account.

 

[pbrown7582]

if the first club is not affliated then he surely doesn't have a handicap to start with? so putting in 3 cards is correct.
if an official congu handicap has been issued active or inactive it moves with player from club to club including up to a 6 month break between clubs.

 

[newbie2014]

I don't know the players exact playing history (so thanks for replies despite the open ended question), but the details are broadly

a) club 1 is a CONGU affiliated club after all (I just couldn't find the club on howdidido so I initially assumed that meant they were not congu affiliated - my error)
b) the players handicap was inactive at club 1
c) the player did compete in doubles competitions at some point in his eight years as a member of club 1
d) the player believes that when moving from one club to another club he has the option (!-the controversial bit!) to either bring the old handicap across, or start a new handicap with 3 cards.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I don't know the players exact playing history (so thanks for replies despite the open ended question), but the details are broadly

a) club 1 is a CONGU affiliated club after all (I just couldn't find the club on howdidido so I initially assumed that meant they were not congu affiliated - my error)
b) the players handicap was inactive at club 1
c) the player did compete in doubles competitions at some point in his eight years as a member of club 1
d) the player believes that when moving from one club to another club he has the option (!-the controversial bit!) to either bring the old handicap across, or start a new handicap with 3 cards.

Depends on length of time between leaving one club and joining the other I believe?

Less than 6 months = same handicap bought over. More than 6 months = needs to take old handicap into account after 3 new cards.

If less than 6 months, then I assume it would still need 3 cards to make it active

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't know the players exact playing history (so thanks for replies despite the open ended question), but the details are broadly

a) club 1 is a CONGU affiliated club after all (I just couldn't find the club on howdidido so I initially assumed that meant they were not congu affiliated - my error)
b) the players handicap was inactive at club 1
c) the player did compete in doubles competitions at some point in his eight years as a member of club 1
d) the player believes that when moving from one club to another club he has the option (!-the controversial bit!) to either bring the old handicap across, or start a new handicap with 3 cards.

He will have a CDH number attached to his Name and HC and will be on the CDH database - when did his HC go inactive ? Think after a certain period of it being inactive he will get a new one when he submits three cards but old HC is taken into account

 

[MadAdey]

Put 3 cards in and let the handicap secretary sort it out, that is what I did when came back to playing after a couple of years off through injury. I spoke with the handicap secretary about it and he said out 3 cards in and he will take into account my previous inactive handicap. Gave a me 10 instead of making play from my inactive 5. If I had put cards on a and tried to get an 18 then something might have been said.

 

[rosecott]

I don't know the players exact playing history (so thanks for replies despite the open ended question), but the details are broadly

a) club 1 is a CONGU affiliated club after all (I just couldn't find the club on howdidido so I initially assumed that meant they were not congu affiliated - my error)
b) the players handicap was inactive at club 1
c) the player did compete in doubles competitions at some point in his eight years as a member of club 1
d) the player believes that when moving from one club to another club he has the option (!-the controversial bit!) to either bring the old handicap across, or start a new handicap with 3 cards.

If he is moving directly from one club to another - or if it's six months or less between moves - he must tell his new club his CDH number (or get the old club to do it if he doesn't know it) and his handicap will be transferred to the new club but will remain inactive until he submits 3 cards in qualifiers or Supplementaries.

 

[duncan mackie]

If he is moving directly from one club to another - or if it's six months or less between moves - he must tell his new club his CDH number (or get the old club to do it if he doesn't know it) and his handicap will be transferred to the new club but will remain inactive until he submits 3 cards in qualifiers or Supplementaries.

:thup:

the player doesn't have options, he has responsibilities

the process is governed by a simple timeline, as outlined in Rosecott's post.

if the time gap is such that he is required to put in 3 new cards he is still required to advise the committee of his previous handicap history and they are required to take it into account when allocating his handicap (the only possible option then crops up which is what exactly does it mean to take a previous handicap into account when allocating a new handicap - but it's not the player's option!)

 

[rulefan]

I've learnt from the atticusfinch school clearly.

atticusfinch is not in the CONGU area

However, re the handicap question, the new club should determine if the player had been a member of another club. They should ensure that the original club has 'released' his record in the CDH (by marking him as having left). They should then set him up on their system with his correct CDH ID and if there is no break in membership with his current handicap. The player must then submit 3 cards (either qualifiers or supplementary scores). No adjustment may be made to his transferred handicap until the Annual Review.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

atticusfinch is not in the CONGU area

I was referring to atticusfinch reinforcing the point of "don't assume anything, if it doesn't explicitly say it"