Impact position is a vastly different one than Setup

[Foxholer]

Could anything be plainer?

Moe Norman's style aside, is there, in fact, anything that is the same?

http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-ins...technique/impact-vs-address-position-golf.php

http://www.golfswing.com.au/111=Address+versus+Impact

http://www.golfswing.com.au/48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA8uROh9OU4

And are any of these remotely in the same position! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr55_XH6gQ4 (best watched with the sound off imo!)

Even Down the Line, there are major differences - probably every significant part of the body is completely different! Well perhaps the direction (though not angle!) of the shoulders, but that makes a lot of sense!

Even the likes of Lucas Glover, the supposed 'poster boy for low hands with irons' only has hands near the setup position - everything else is quite different!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Ed6tw49vw

So if your trainer tells you that at impact, the golfer should return to the address position, I'd suggest you pack up and walk away! It's just SO WRONG!

And just to show the proper way to play! Found this while searching!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAiWVAOYbGM

 

[sev112]

It's cos their all rubbish golfers ...

 

[Region3]

Not presuming to put words in JO's mouth, but I took the phrase about returning to the address position in the thread about PJ to mean position of the club from the down the line view.

However, I have been wrong before, and will be in the future.

 

[chrisd]

I'd certainly be worried if my impact position was the same as my address

 

[kid2]

I'd agree and where I struggle is when I was told he needs to see more of my hands through the ball after impact which for the way I swing is supposed to be a big no no... Probably explains why it feels very strange to me..

 

[SocketRocket]

Who exactly tells you to return to the address position at impact?

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you notice that in most cases they don't really have a forward leaning shaft as such but a more vertical shaft in line with the left arm.

This position many demonstrate while stationary with the hands pushed well ahead of the ball is IMO an exaggeration and contrived, not what really happens at impact. To get in such a position would create problems for most.

 

[Foxholer]

Do you notice that in most cases they don't really have a forward leaning shaft as such but a more vertical shaft in line with the left arm.

This position many demonstrate while stationary with the hands pushed well ahead of the ball is IMO an exaggeration and contrived, not what really happens at impact. To get in such a position would create problems for most.

Possibly an exaggeration for effect - wouldn't surprise me. But also possibly simply an inaccurate demonstration of the impact position - not actually placing the body into position, but having the hands in about the actual place - about 4-6 inches (my estimate) forward of where they are at address - so they look extended rather than 'natural'. At that point, the shaft is pretty much vertical or a few degrees ahead, as you say. It's the relationship between the hands and the club-head that's important, not the angle of the shaft. Hands should be ahead of the head (and ball) at impact. Address doesn't matter, though level is standard.

 

[JustOne]

Even Down the Line, there are major differences - probably every significant part of the body is completely different! Well perhaps the direction (though not angle!) of the shoulders, but that makes a lot of sense!

Who said "Return your body to the same place it was at address"?

You're waffling mate.


Here's a freaky address/impact gif from the 'Glover' swing.... that shaft is pretty darn close to me!!

His shoulders are actually in the same direction, but the angle has changed (right is slightly lower).... you've got it the wrong way round.

So I'm not going to discuss it any further as clearly you're makin' stuff up just to suit your agenda.

 

[Foxholer]

Who said "Return your body to the same place it was at address"?

Here's a freaky address/impact gif from the 'Glover' swing.... that shaft is pretty darn close to me!!

Now that's a bit better. Specification that it's the shaft plane that 'should return to that at address' - neat effect btw, do you win loads of Spot the Difference comps? ; his toes are the only thing visible that is in the same position. Shaft is close, though he's pretty unusual. Try that on any of the World Top 5 - or any in the other vid and I'd bet it wouldn't be as close.

And is it really all that close? Club Head obviously has to be, but those hands are quite a distance apart. It's the plane thats very similar in his case.

His shoulders are actually in the same direction, but the angle has changed (right is slightly lower).... you've got it the wrong way round.

You misinterpreted the 2nd sentence associating it with differences when it was actually about similarities! A couple of extra words would probably have helped - shows how important a bit of detail can be!

The other comments are typical flaming and unnecessary, unworthy toys/pram syndrome!

So everything is different except the player's toes (and maybe the front heel) though there is at least 1 player whose shaft plane is very close (though hands are different).

You still haven't answered the question though! Not that you ever actually said that the positions were the same, so I'll grant you that out.

But thanks for the nice freaky merge that clearly shows that virtually everything about the Impact position is different from Address one! :thup:

 

[JustOne]

You misinterpreted the 2nd sentence associating it with differences when it was actually about similarities! A couple of extra words would probably have helped - shows how important a bit of detail can be!

Weird... I can actually read it both ways... but I'll agree/accept that you wrote it the other way :thup:

How about McIlroy's shoulders? Direction or angle?

Hogan.....?

 

[Foxholer]

Thank you for agreeing then! Everything is different!

Hogan's shaft plane at Address and Impact was pretty similar. Nothing about Rory's positions are anywhere near the same!.

Remember. that sentence started with 'Perhaps'. I strongly suspect that Glover would be quite different in a full swing as well - that looked a Pitch.

It's t'Internet! you can find something to support any view!

 

[williamalex1]

Now that's a bit better. Specification that it's the shaft plane that 'should return to that at address' - neat effect btw, do you win loads of Spot the Difference comps? ; his toes are the only thing visible that is in the same position. Shaft is close, though he's pretty unusual. Try that on any of the World Top 5 - or any in the other vid and I'd bet it wouldn't be as close.

And is it really all that close? Club Head obviously has to be, but those hands are quite a distance apart. It's the plane thats very similar in his case.



You misinterpreted the 2nd sentence associating it with differences when it was actually about similarities! A couple of extra words would probably have helped - shows how important a bit of detail can be!

The other comments are typical flaming and unnecessary, unworthy toys/pram syndrome!

So everything is different except the player's toes (and maybe the front heel) though there is at least 1 player whose shaft plane is very close (though hands are different).

You still haven't answered the question though! Not that you ever actually said that the positions were the same, so I'll grant you that out.

But thanks for the nice freaky merge that clearly shows that virtually everything about the Impact position is different from Address one! :thup:

That is just asking to have some music added. any ideas.

 

[JustOne]

I don't know what your view is, I have no idea what you're trying to prove or not prove.

The club can return to the shaft plane. I showed that with Glover, Hogan is pretty close, McIlroy isn't exactly a million miles away. you seem to disagree with that. Glover has his shoulders in the same direction, McIlroy has his in a different direction and Hogan is in the middle. I can show you impact positions where the hands are close to where they were at address (small shaft lean) and where the hands are way forward with a ton of shaft lean... and even forwards with very little shaft lean (but they would all be face on views not DTL).

If you think that saying someone should return the club closer to the shaft plane than they currently are constitutes bad advice then I'm sorry, I don't agree with you.

If you took a stance of something directly opposite to that... would you tell someone to bring it in as far away as possible? stand the club up vertical per se? I'm going to guess that you wouldn't.

 

[Foxholer]

I don't know what your view is, I have no idea what you're trying to prove or not prove.

Read the Title and the 1st post and check the links then!

 

[bluewolf]

You know what people say, If you're still dancing after midnight, then it's time to get a room...... You 2 are like the leads in a fairly generic American romantic comedy.. I hate you, no I hate you, well I hate you more..... You know how it ends....

 

[Foxholer]

You know what people say, If you're still dancing after midnight, then it's time to get a room...... You 2 are like the leads in a fairly generic American romantic comedy.. I hate you, no I hate you, well I hate you more..... You know how it ends....

Aren't you 2 in the wrong Pub?

James has forgotten it's my turn to have the last word in this thread! :rofl:

 

[JustOne]

Can you do this with your legs if you are TRYING to have the shaft closer at impact to where it was at address?

Shaft more on plane, hands closer to the address position = less EE (less hip thrust towards the ball)

 

[Foxholer]

Can you do this with your legs if you are TRYING to have the shaft closer at impact to where it was at address?

Shaft more on plane, hands closer to the address position = less EE (less hip thrust towards the ball)

Posted in the wrong thread surely - it belongs in the 8 hour one! About as rude looking as the Glover one though!

 

[User20205]

You know what people say, If you're still dancing after midnight, then it's time to get a room...... You 2 are like the leads in a fairly generic American romantic comedy.. I hate you, no I hate you, well I hate you more..... You know how it ends....

This is genius!!:rofl:

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