Human rights...

[MegaSteve]

How can anyone who has wilfully taken another's life have expectation of any kind of 'rights'...

Why do 'we' continue to pander these 'lowlifes' and their foolish supporters...

 

[GreiginFife]

We dont, we continually allow interference from Europe and people that are so far up their own arses its not funny.

As soon as you kill you forfeit any rights, human or otherwise.

 

[mikee247]

Ah the crazy world we live in.... I personally think you loose all rights when you go behind bars. You can have them back one you have done the time. Most of these scum bags would have been dead a long time ago if they lived in certain parts of the US and other country's .... bring back capital punishment??

 

[hoop67]

We dont, we continually allow interference from Europe and people that are so far up their own arses its not funny.

As soon as you kill you forfeit any rights, human or otherwise.

:thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Another great initiative from Labour. Give away our rights to enforce our own laws along with a big chunk of Maggie's rebate.

 

[Swinger]

We dont, we continually allow interference from Europe and people that are so far up their own arses its not funny.

As soon as you kill you forfeit any rights, human or otherwise.

That might be a little controversial. I know there are a lot of bacon lovers on here.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Many American states still have the death penalty and the three strikes law.

Does anyone on here know the percentage of citizens in jail in the land of the free compared to Britain?

 

[bogside84]

You sound like the kind of guy I would be down waiting for the doors to open so that I could vote.If there is any doubt what ever you cannot give the death penalty BUT Britains prisons are full of people I would do them for nothing.

Ah the crazy world we live in.... I personally think you loose all rights when you go behind bars. You can have them back one you have done the time. Most of these scum bags would have been dead a long time ago if they lived in certain parts of the US and other country's .... bring back capital punishment??

 

[DappaDonDave]

Bring in torture and maiming.

A life behind bars isn't great, but a life behind bars with daily torture (waterboarding, hot pokers, removal of limbs)

Example - convicted paedo, remove their genitals and if needs be, hands. Also brand them with the label.

 

[SocketRocket]

Bring in torture and maiming.

A life behind bars isn't great, but a life behind bars with daily torture (waterboarding, hot pokers, removal of limbs)

Example - convicted paedo, remove their genitals and if needs be, hands. Also brand them with the label.

Even better! Play Des O'Connor's greatest hits to them for 8 hours a day, followed by the omnibus edition of east Enders. They would soon lose the will to live.

 

[GreiginFife]

Even better! Play Des O'Connor's greatest hits to them for 8 hours a day, followed by the omnibus edition of east Enders. They would soon lose the will to live.

I reckon Des for the slight offenders and Sidney Devine Live for the serious ones.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

They have their human rights because our Government (irrespective of which party) is too weak to stand up to interference from bureaucrats in Brussels that don't have the common sense to make a decision and protect the real victims... the families of those left behind when they lose a loved one

 

[Ethan]

Dear dear. Seems like some usually sensible people have been on the Daily Wail website. You really shouldn't.

This issue has nothing to do with releasing Jeremy Bamber. He won't ever be released. This is to do with the right of review and possible release and it says that no judicial system is perfect that it should deny the right to review cases. There is ample evidence that the UK legal system makes mistakes and allows miscarriages of justice. Those reviews will keep Bamber in for perpetuity.

This real issue here is the next election. The Tories have realised that the biggest threat to a majority is UKIP so they are going to play the Europe and immigrant cards. This appeals to the hang em and flog em brigade currently being seduced by UKIP. We can expect plenty more of this, perhaps even the Yes Minister episode on the British Sausage.

The 3 strikes laws in the US are interesting. These, and a lot of the war on drugs, were supported by lobbyists for the private prison industry. This relies on having plenty of inmates to make a profit. So many black men from poor places are imprisoned for minor offences and the US has the highest incarceration rates in the civilised world. And since convicted felons lose the vote in the US, it also has the effect of reducing the Democrats vote. Political pandering, private profits, voter suppression and racism all in one nice package.

If you want to rail against unelected wealthy people interfering in the democratic process check out the UK courts decision to suppress the letters sent by Charlie Windsor to various Govt departments.

 

[Foxholer]

How can anyone who has wilfully taken another's life have expectation of any kind of 'rights'...

Why do 'we' continue to pander these 'lowlifes' and their foolish supporters...

Because as Humans we have a responsibility to 'be Human'.

Because otherwise we may as well just put certain Newspaper Editors in total charge of our daily lives - and we've seen how responsible some of they can be!

Until there's an infalible Justice system, there is no way the Death Sentence can ever return imo.

And to suggest torture as a punishment is simply unacceptable!

Guantanamo Bay still exists, some 5 or 6 years after Obama made a pledge to close it. Suspects are flown to countries where human rights are less of an obstacle for 'questioning'. Drones are killing innocent civilians and our every one of our communications can be examined by unelected 'authorities' by rulings made in secret. The Western world still enters the area of the 'inhumane' occasionally.

To me, the time it took to deport Abu Qatada and the mechanice of the Bamber case demonstrate that EU has actually got a couple of things right after all.

As for some of the things Theresa May proposes. That's purely political manuevering of the worst kind imo.

 

[SocketRocket]

Because as Humans we have a responsibility to 'be Human'.

Because otherwise we may as well just put certain Newspaper Editors in total charge of our daily lives - and we've seen how responsible some of they can be!

Until there's an infalible Justice system, there is no way the Death Sentence can ever return imo.

And to suggest torture as a punishment is simply unacceptable!

Thats right. I guess the Des O'Connor records and Omnibus Eastenders was going a bit too far. No one deserves that.

 

[In_The_Rough]

The sooner we get out of the Human rights then the better. The decisions they come up with are crazy, with the latest being another example. The 3 individuals it mentioned should never be set free and never have their cases reviewed. Far to many do gooders around in this country as well.

 

[Foxholer]

The sooner we get out of the Human rights then the better. The decisions they come up with are crazy, with the latest being another example. The 3 individuals it mentioned should never be set free and never have their cases reviewed. Far to many do gooders around in this country as well.

Er. I don't think you read much detail of the ruling! Just the headline and comment of the particular item - complete with their bias. And if it was via a Newspaper, you probably bought that because it's the one that matches your own bias the most! Mob Rules OK!

I agree that (unless - and it's extremely unlikely - some huge miscarriage of Justice has been done) they should never be released though.

 

[Andy808]

There is no reason for these animals not to have a review, there are plenty of reasons not to release them and every time they have a review they will get their hopes up only to be slammed back into the system crushing their spirit.
Let them have their pointless case reviews safe in the knowledge they will never actually get released.

 

[Shaunmg]

This is all about political manoeuvring and pandering to populist misconceptions by the Tory press. Firstly the European court of human rights has nothing to do with the EU. We were signed up to the convention after the war, before we were ever members of the EU. Britain and Churchill were amongst the biggest advocators of setting it up.

As founder members of the convention, we now can’t cry foul every time there is something we don’t agree with and take our ball home.

In reality our justice system still has the final say if lifers are ever released or not. The ruling is that they have the chance of consideration for release. In reality it’s unlikely any whole lifers will ever be released.

The right wing press and the Tories are happy to play along with the ignorant miss conception that the EU and European court of human rights are one and the same thing. They are happy with the misguided view that these people are all about to set free and on the streets again. Well we are not all so stupid; thank god

 

[Beezerk]

I assume this thread is about the right to review for some life sentence prisoners?
Don't really see the problem myself, not giving them even a chance for review is wrong IMO.
Let's face it, they may now get reviews but they still aren't going to be released...ever.