Hoof prints on green

[pokerjoke]

When on the putting green and there are hoof prints all over the line to the hole,does this come under Abnormal ground conditions rule 25.

So we can get full relief no nearer the hole.
Can the hoof prints be lifted and repaired like you would a pitch mark before the putt or does it have to be done after the putt,thx

 

[Crow]

I'd say no to any of the above, but the committee should mark it out as GUR and then you can take relief.

We had a herd of cows trample our 18th a few years back and that's what was done.

 

[Tongo]

When on the putting green and there are hoof prints all over the line to the hole,does this come under Abnormal ground conditions rule 25.

So we can get full relief no nearer the hole.
Can the hoof prints be lifted and repaired like you would a pitch mark before the putt or does it have to be done after the putt,thx

There's a course near me in the New Forest where you can move the ball without penalty if there are hoof prints on the green from the ponies. And you can also move without penalty if your line is blocked by a steaming present left by one of the ponies!

These are local rules though.

 

[Foxholer]

This is one to refer back to The Committee to sort!

 

[rulefan]

If it is a frequent occurrence I would suggest that the R&A would gibe authority for a Local Rule.
If they are not asked (or don't agree), such a LR introduced by the committee would make comps non-qualifiers.

 

[delc]

We had this problem at our club about three years ago, when some horses broke loose and trampled on several of our greens, leaving large hoof marks on them. Horses are not 'burrowing animals', so we couldn't take relief under the rules of golf. Personally I think you should be able to relief from any significant animal damage, whatever the species, but I can't see this happening! The green keepers repaired the damage as best as they could, but it was at least a month before the greens were in good condition again.

 

[chrisd]

If it is a frequent occurrence I would suggest that the R&A would gibe authority for a Local Rule.
If they are not asked (or don't agree), such a LR introduced by the committee would make comps non-qualifiers.

So you're saying that the committee can't make decisions on the hoof

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You would need some sized pitch repairer to sort that out.

I have to laugh at some of the rules discussions as golf seems to want to shoot itself in the foot at times. Logic would clearly suggest here that you should be able to move your ball because a 1 tonne cow or horse has trampled over a green. To not be able to is just ridiculous. The fact that there is a debate about it, quite valid by the way, not criticising that, suggests the rules of golf are too rigid at times and common sense should be allowed every so often. I can't think of any other sport that is so complicated, rigid and downright odd in terms of rules.

 

[Colin L]

You would need some sized pitch repairer to sort that out.

I have to laugh at some of the rules discussions as golf seems to want to shoot itself in the foot at times. Logic would clearly suggest here that you should be able to move your ball because a 1 tonne cow or horse has trampled over a green. To not be able to is just ridiculous. The fact that there is a debate about it, quite valid by the way, not criticising that, suggests the rules of golf are too rigid at times and common sense should be allowed every so often. I can't think of any other sport that is so complicated, rigid and downright odd in terms of rules.

Never played or refereed rugby then? :lol:

 

[Colin L]

So you're saying that the committee can't make decisions on the hoof

I have a nagging feeling you might be right.

I am reminded, both irrelevantly and irreverently of the story of the wedding at which the happy couple were to be carried from the church by horse and carriage. While waiting, the horse peed voluminously (as horses do). "Ah," said a spectator, "this is a truly auspicious occasion."

 

[Foxholer]

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Never played or refereed rugby then? :lol:

Egad! He's discovered the 'red pencil'! :rofl:

Agree re Rugby btw. Laws on lineouts used to be horrendous! And probably still are.

 

[Smiffy]

Trying playing with Richart and putting across his stiletto marks....

 

[MashieNiblick]

Is it a Harry Colt course? Either way sounds like someone was having a 'mare.

I'll get me coat.

 

[duncan mackie]

Logic would clearly suggest here that you should be able to move your ball because a 1 tonne cow or horse has trampled over a green. To not be able to is just ridiculous.

speaking of logic - if you can provide appropriate metrics to definitively establish that an area of the green has sustained damage from this cow such that every player would be equally able to claim such relief then I would agree with you.

however, as this has been proved (from over 100+ years of ruling) not to be possible any such rule would be ridiculous.

if you are standing waiting to putt and said cow charges across the green you are permitted to repair it's hoof prints before putting; it would be ridiculous if you couldn't

 

[delc]

Is it a Harry Colt course? Either way sounds like someone was having a 'mare.

I'll get me coat.

Sounds as though your imagination is galloping away with you!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

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Never played or refereed rugby then? :lol:

I did think about that as I was typing. They used to be a complete mystery to me but then my son started playing and I went along to watch. The coach took the kids through the laws as they taught the game and it became less complicated. Yes there are a number of technical laws similar to golf but I don't think it gets near to golf still.

 

[rulefan]

Apart from anything else, the pitch/course and things encountered are more complicated.