Hole in one!!.. Or is it??

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Hi Guys

Wanted to get your thoughts on this one :D

Our 10th is a dog-leg par 4 with trees all down the left and some more trees which cut halfway accross the fairway at about 80 yards out, this leaves a gap through them which usually I would lay up short of with an iron.

Feeling a little adventurous today I decided to take 3 wood off the tee and try to cut the corner a bit to get right down into the gap and hopefully through it to leave a short chip on.

Hit it well if a little leftish and when getting down there my ball was nowhere to be seen, after a search I said to my partners to forget it and play on(was stableford) and put me down for a blank.

Well the others played on to the green and when one of the guys went to remove the pin to putt out he called to me that my ball was in the hole at this point we seen some wee scroats in the woods who shouted out something about a hole in one before running off.

I think the wee scroats ran onto the course and put my ball in the hole but cannot be certain as we never seen them even on the course. My partners all agreed that it has to be an ace but i cant help feeling that its a bit dodgy as i couldnt see me hitting 3 wood that distance.

I signed for an ace on my card, and entered it on the computer and have called the competition secretary who also confirms that it is indeed a hole in one but it just doesnt feel right.

What are your opinions?

Hole in one? or not?

Sorry about the long post :D
 
your bravado deserves it Stevie,
how many points did you get for that one.
I appreciate the honest golfer in you is reluctant to accept the hole in 1.
did you stand a drink in the members bar.
 
Many people who don't play golf see holes in one as down to pure luck.

My opinion is that you are playing for the hole, whether it takes 1 shot or 100 shots, the goal is getting the little white ball into the hole.

So if you're saying you decided to go for cutting the corner and you hit it a little sweeter than normal and it hit the green and went in the hole, by hook or by crook, then it's a hole in one.

Well done and here's to many more.

Cheers
Dave
 
If you felt it was immpossible to reach the green then i would feel a bit guilty.
However you have to count your score as it is,a hole in 1.
Thats also the trouble with doglegs and blind shots,who knows what happens when the ball goes out of sight.
However you did declare yourself out the hole,so im interested to here other views on this.
 
To me, the answer is 'no' it is not a hole in one. This is for no other reason other than the fact that you doubt that it went in unassisted. Until you feel that you have scored a hole in one without any doubt as to its providence then you have not for your own satisfaction if for no other reason.
 
Yes - you couldn't possibly know if the scrotes put it in the hole. If it was your ball in the hole, then it's a hole in one - mine's a double.
 
Cheers Johnboy

Was my first ever 5 pointer :D

and yes i bought the beers although(thankfully) there was only 4 guys in the bar and 2 of them were my playing partners

Just not convinced i holed it so feel a bit embarrassed accepting the plaudits :o
 
Declaring yourself out of the hole means nothing - the ball is in the hole, ergo hole in one.
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I agree with that. May be misinterpreting but my understanding was that there may be some doubt as to whether the ball went in the hole or whether one of the 'wee scroates' put it there
 
Declaring yourself out of the hole means nothing - the ball is in the hole, ergo hole in one.
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I agree with that. May be misinterpreting but my understanding was that there may be some doubt as to whether the ball went in the hole or whether one of the 'wee scroates' put it there
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Yep, my doubt exists over whether the ball went in the hole itself or was put there by the wee scroates.

Surely and i may be wrong on the other point but how can i declare myself out the hole when effectively my participation in the hole is already over when the ball is in the cup :D
 
Interesting scenario. From how you have described it, you didnt hole out with your shot. Someone has picked it up and as a prank put the ball in the hole. A harmless little prank to them but important to you! Doubtless you have every reasonable right to claim a one on the card, but I think you know it wasnt. Not p*ssing on your parade, merely agreeing with what you know yourself already.
 
Smange,you'll never know for sure, they could have stolen your ball just as easily, so you've got to accept it as 'rub of the green', a 'five pointer' i wish mate, well done. :o
 
Imo, YES, well done that man.

If you didnt see them with the ball it's a hole in one.
We have the same problem on our 10th hole. the lady who lives in the house beside the fairway would throw balls back onto the course. Now if we dont see her throwing the balls, we have to take it that it hit a tree and came back in. It may not feel right but thats the way it is.

Again Smange, congrats.
 
It's a little like mine - unofficial in a way.
I was playing solo, in fact I was thde only player on the course so I have no witnesses. I know I did it but it's not official.
Yours is "technically" official though as the "rub of the green" covers you.

Well done!

Here's a thought - would we be questioning it if a crow had picked up the ball and dropped it in the hole...?
 
It depends on whether you think you could have holed it directly or whether the only way the ball could have got in the hole was because of the kids.

Rule 18-1 - Ball At Rest Moved By Outside Agency

"If a ball at rest is moved by an outside agency, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced.
Note: It is a question of fact whether a ball has been moved by an outside agency. In order to apply this Rule, it must be known or virtually certain that an outside agency has moved the ball. In the absence of such knowledge or certainty, the player must play the ball as it lies or, if the ball is not found, proceed under Rule 27-1."

Unless your ball could not possibly have gone in the hole from your stroke it appears you cannot be "virtually certain" that your ball when at rest was moved by the kids. So in that case, under the Rules, it's in the hole for one. Equally if they had pocketed it and you didn't see them do it you'd have to have treated it as a lost ball. Swings and roundabouts and in this case it seems it has come out in your favour.

Imurg, the crow is also an outside agency and if the ball was at rest and you saw the crow pick it up then the ball should be replaced, if you didn't see and can't be certain it was moved by the crow, then as above.

However if the ball was still moving Rule 19-1, Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped by Outside Agency, applies.

"If a player’s ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency, it is a rub of the green, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, except:
a. If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke other than on the putting green comes to rest in or on any moving or animate outside agency, the ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped, or on the putting green be placed, as near as possible to the spot directly under the place where the ball came to rest in or on the outside agency, but not nearer the hole, and
b. If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is deflected or stopped by, or comes to rest in or on, any moving or animate outside agency, except a worm, insect or the like, the stroke is cancelled. The ball must be replaced and replayed.
If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted."

So it depends whether your shot was played from off or on the green.

Decision 19-1/6 Ball Picked Up or Deflected by Dog on Putting Green After Stroke from Off Green states that if you are off the green and a dog picks up your ball while it is in motion you should place a ball as near as possible to the spot where the dog picked up the ball.

Decision 19-1/7 Ball Picked Up or Deflected by Dog on Putting Green After Stroke on Green states that if you were on the green, the stroke is cancelled and replayed.
 
Have you ever hit a club and been amazed how far it's gone compared to what you normally do? Have you ever caught the ball so sweetly that it's flown miles further than you'd expected?

Unless you actually saw or are convinced in some other way that these 'wee scroats' picked up your ball and put it in the hole for you is there not a chance that it got there on it's own?

I can quite understand your scepticism but maybe these interlopers were just as amazed as you. Shame they didn't stick around so you could check!
 
If the shot is possible and there is no actual evidence or witness saying that the wee scrotes did it, I think you must assume it is legit.
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Yes the shot is possible, I was trying to hit into or just through the gap and the fairway runs downhill from there to the green so with the right bounce it is possible it could run down to the green.

Still not convinced but its on the card as an ace and all the rules are in my favour so guess I have to accept it and not feel guilty about it but hope I get another one very soon in the conventional method :p
 
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