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Last week, the seniors hosted a local team at my club in a league match.
On the 7th tee, one of the home team teed up and played from outside the teeing area. One of the opposition then claimed the hole for his error.
Rule books were produced and consulted and although the rule clearly states that you just ask him to replay the shot if you wish, the guy wouldn't give up.
Lots of name calling and swearing followed and conduct un-becoming of a gentleman ensued for several holes, holding up the matches behind.
A long story short, my club received a letter from the local teams secretary asking for an apology for our seniors behaviour and bad language. He only heard one side of the story.
Cant wait for the return match ;)
Have you ever witnessed or been part of a heated debate on the course?
 
Only one, I'm sorry to say it was at one of my golf society days. A new member playing off 5 hit a poor drive off the second hole, way out into the long rough. We suggested he play a provisional but he said he was sure he would find his ball. We carried on, very strangley he found what he called his ball almost immediately, we accepted he was telling the truth until we got to the green. He had to move his ball to allow my playing partner to putt, my partner noticed that the ball he was marking was a no. 3 but he had declared a No.4 on the first tee, and hadn't lost a ball on the first hole. My partner asked him about it. The player lost his temper saying that my partner was mistaken. He finally calmed down enough for us to finish the hole, but the ill feeling was in the air as you might imagine. The next hole was a par 3, he hit his ball into the front bunker, when he played out we all heard a double noise, his partner, not us, asked if it was a double hit, he flew off the handle again, swore at us all shouting loudly that he wasn't a cheat, even though nobody had suggested that, and stormed off the course. As you might imagine we never invited him to another outing! what we couldn't understand is why he felt the need to cheat like that it was a friendly although competative day......... nothing as strange as folk eh?
 
I've fallen out with a member of my 3 ball in a medal once when I called him for grounding the club behind the ball in a bunker. He was adamant he hadn't but the other guy backed me up. This guy was apoplectic but int he end I told him he either took the penalty or I'd refuse to sign his card and inform the handicap secretary why. As he was "known" (think there were rumours of him cheating but not enough evidence) he eventually backed down but he wouldn't acknowledge either myself or our other partner. As we were on the 3rd at the time it was a long, long round. I refused to have a drink afterwards out of principle
 
Some years ago, on the first tee of a Saturday medal, member wanders up talking about his new irons, which he tried that morning on the course. One of my group said that if he played on the course that day, he couldn't play in the medal, so the guy stormed off and comes back saying the Secretary said he could. We then pointed out that the Secretary (and Committee)'s discretion to vary the Rules was limited and did not include that.

A "heated" discussion ensued, during which time the Secretary actually read the rule book and realised he was wrong.
 
Not quite a heated discussion, although I did say many things that I shoudn't have. A long time ago in a junior match I go to shake the hand of my opponent on the first tee only to find out he had a walkman on ear phones in and in a world of his own. I shrug my shoulders and off we go. Not a word passed his lips, but a few well chosen comments were aimed at if not heard by him. Thankfully a 4 and 2 win did get me a handshake on the 16th green. Sufice to say we didn't play the last 2!
 
I was playing in a 4 Ball match play competition in the winter. We were on the tee of the par 5 11th, all with drivers in hand. We went first with my drive in reasonable shape, looked like it was heading for the first cut of rough on the right hand side. When one of our opponents tee'd off with his driver, he skimmed the trees along the right and it stayed right.

All thinking we would easily find our balls we left the tee. I walked up to what I believed to be my ball, happening to be a drive of about 240yards. Then I heard the opponent say " hey, thats my ball mate ". I replied it could not be as it is a Titleist 4 with orange over the number as declared at the start of the match. " yeah mate, that's what I am playing as well " came the reply. I explained that he had not hit a drive today longer than 220yards, plus his ball clearly hit the edge of the trees on the right which would have taken 40-50 yards of distance from his ball. He completely disagreed and at this point it started to get fruity. Our playing partners, clearly being sensitive souls decided to stay out of it and left us to it !! I obviously looked for his ball, but oculd not find it.

After a couple of minutes of argie bargie, I suggested that as our partners both had balls in play, lets let them play out the hole and we can walk on and forget this incident. He disagreed. He then brazenly walked up to the ball and played it. I could not believe it. I called him a F------ Cheat and walked off. The hole was halfed in the end, but they won the match by won.

I refused a drink and have blanked the guy since. This story has become legendary in the club house & I found it it was not his first offense either.
 
Ermmm I'm going to bed before I write a 10 page essay on the set-to's i've had/ seen on and off the course. One iincident though was handed over to the police with the charge of me trying to run someone over in my car as I left the car park :eek:
 
I was a founder member of the Men's Committee at my first club. We bought in rules about entering competitions that hadn't been there before - it was a very small,laid-back set-up.
One was that entries to the Medal had to be made by the Wednesday before although an "alternates" list was made in case of any drop-outs.
This particular month, one of the life members was mistakenly allowed to enter the medal on the saturday evening. A lot of us had played the medal on the saturday as there was a club match on the Sunday afternoon. The first we knew about it was when we were going to 1st tee and this guy was coming off the course. When questioned he even admitted that he didn't enter until Saturday night and "bullied" the assistant pro into putting his name down.
We called an Committee meeting for the Monday evening and it took us about 13 seconds to DQ him especially as he had won! We told the Club Manager, who effectively ran the club at the time (the Committee was very new), and we were told in no uncertain terms that the Life member would be re-instated. We said he wouldn't and he said "Try it!"
I said that as a Committee we should stand firm. But the others wouldn't and I immediately resigned and never had anything to do with running the club from then on.
Funnily enough, come Prizegiving, when he went up to get his medal only about 3 or 4 people clapped.
I nearly choked on my beer!!
 
SUNDAY Gone :mad:

Met with the Swindle lot as usual, only 7 turned up, as away day on the Monday. I was put in the 4 ball.
One of the guys has been having a bit of trouble with his game, you know this as he does not hold back when he messes a shot up ;)
Well I started Par, Bogey, Par, Bogey, by this time he had sweared his way round 4 holes, doing worse than Garcia used to do standing over the ball, then backing off, its HOT and it was going to be a long round. Anyway, down the 9th, I messed up my Tee shot, then put it OB, 1st time ever, but I dropped and played another ball, this guy had lost his 1st, then put his second in the rough, lost, I walked over to collect my ball from OB, found another ball and called if was anyone's, well what happened next surprised me. "For F*** Sake, F***ing Hurry Up" :eek:

I could not believe it as I was getting my ball, I replied with, "Who the F*** do you think your Talking Too" he commented so I used my deepest voice and told him to F***off, he winged a bit, but nothing else said.

I on the otherhand wanted to walk in, as I was out playing golf, which I want to enjoy, clearly this guy was not making my day an enjoyable one, I ended up playing on, which 5hr round later and I wished I had played up the 17th and 18th, would have been in a better place.

I had a word with the Pro-Shop, I did not make a formal complaint, as I did not handle the situation that well myself, just wanted them to know my side of the story, if anything was said. I was a bit miffed by it all and am now looking for another avenue to play golf at the course, as with the Swindle you put the balls in the hat, you do not chose who you play with.

Sorry long winded :D
 
Most heated discussion ever;

Me and my best man were 4 up after 6 against some geezers who weren't enjoying the game.

We teed off the 7th, I was sitting nicely and my mate blasted his drive into the trees. Not wanting to not play the hole (he was confident to leave it to me) he took a provisional and we walked up to the balls. I played mine, he got over his and one of the opponents said "I can see your ball in those bushes". My mate said "I've declared it lost" and proceeded to play his ball. Our understanding of the rules was that once you have made a stroke at the provisional declaring it as a "substituted" ball it's lost anyway...or something along those lines. Things got very heated, I made a par to win the hole and we went 5 up. They were so mad!!!
Now, if I was playing against a pair and someone declared their ball lost, I'd be sympathetic (not) and be pleased to see at least one player out of the hole.

We never did resolve it.

It was all over by about the 14th anyway.

Odd one really, if you choose not to look for a ball 1) it's lost 5 minutes after NOT starting to look and 2) a ball is lost if e). The player has made a stroke at a substituted ball.

I reckon you can play/hit a provisional ball as many times as you like until you reach the area of the first ball, as long as it's that....a provisional. If you declare it "substituted" then it's all over.
 
A few years ago, I was playing at Crowborough Beacon with 3 friends. It was mid-week, and the course was practically empty. We had been glancing over our shoulders every now and then to make sure that there wasn't anybody behind us, but as we approached the 15th green (par 4) after playing our second shots I noticed a twoball just stepping onto the tee. I made my friends aware of it and we continued to putt out. As we came off the green, one of the players behind was in the rough on the left hand side of the hole waving his club at us. Thinking he was in trouble, I ran back to find out what was going on. It was another member playing in a match against a very good friend of mine, and when I asked what was wrong this guy made comment that as they were in a match we would have to let them through. I told him that it would be no problem, we would let them through as soon as they caught us up. As he had only just started searching for his ball I quickly got back to my group, who were waiting by the 16th tee, and one of my mates then teed off. I was next off the tee, so I teed my ball up and addressed it. I was then aware of somebody behind me walking straight onto the tee. I looked around, and it was the guy who had been in the rough on the previous hole. He had decided that because he couldn't find his ball straightaway on the previous hole he had conceded it and barged his way straight past me and teed his ball up. I was fecking livid. I mean raging!! I called him all the names under the sun, the guy he was playing with was, as I say, a very good friend of mine and a really nice guy. He was so embarrassed and kept apologising but it wasn't his fault, it was this other prats. My mates were trying to calm me down, but as I say...I was soooo fecking angry at this guys lack of manners I nearly had him round the throat and threatened to punch his lights out. I eventually backed off and this guy proceeded to top one into the ravine that crosses the 16th, he wandered down and had a quick look for his ball and must have conceded the hole as the other guy picked his ball up from the middle of the fairway. But the stupid one wasn't finished was he?? No, he had to drop another ball in the middle of the fairway and continued making practice shots up the hole stopping us from teeing off. I put in an official complaint when I got back to the clubhouse, it turned out the guy was a known trouble maker and had been reprimanded in the past about his behaviour. I saw my mate who had been playing with him that day a few days later and apologised about my behaviour and bad language but he fully understood and was still apologetic himself, although he had done nothing wrong. He said the guy had been like that all the way round and vowed never to play with him again.
So Nigel Osler, if you are reading this....both Bruce and I say "f*** off".
 
RGDave, you're almost right.
Yes you can hit your provisional as many times as you like to reach where you think your first ball is.
Up till that point, if your opponents find your ball, the provisional ball is then cancelled and you must use the first ball, irrespective of you saying its a lost ball.
However if you make a stroke at your provisional ball from a point nearer the hole from where you think your first ball is, then the first ball is lost.
So, basically, leg it down there before your opponents, have a quick look then hit you provisional before they have a chance to look for it. Daft, I know.
 
A few years ago, I was playing at Crowborough Beacon with 3 friends. It was mid-week, and the course was practically empty. We had been glancing over our shoulders every now and then to make sure that there wasn't anybody behind us, but as we approached the 15th green (par 4) after playing our second shots I noticed a twoball just stepping onto the tee. I made my friends aware of it and we continued to putt out. As we came off the green, one of the players behind was in the rough on the left hand side of the hole waving his club at us. Thinking he was in trouble, I ran back to find out what was going on. It was another member playing in a match against a very good friend of mine, and when I asked what was wrong this guy made comment that as they were in a match we would have to let them through. I told him that it would be no problem, we would let them through as soon as they caught us up. As he had only just started searching for his ball I quickly got back to my group, who were waiting by the 16th tee, and one of my mates then teed off. I was next off the tee, so I teed my ball up and addressed it. I was then aware of somebody behind me walking straight onto the tee. I looked around, and it was the guy who had been in the rough on the previous hole. He had decided that because he couldn't find his ball straightaway on the previous hole he had conceded it and barged his way straight past me and teed his ball up. I was fecking livid. I mean raging!! I called him all the names under the sun, the guy he was playing with was, as I say, a very good friend of mine and a really nice guy. He was so embarrassed and kept apologising but it wasn't his fault, it was this other prats. My mates were trying to calm me down, but as I say...I was soooo fecking angry at this guys lack of manners I nearly had him round the throat and threatened to punch his lights out. I eventually backed off and this guy proceeded to top one into the ravine that crosses the 16th, he wandered down and had a quick look for his ball and must have conceded the hole as the other guy picked his ball up from the middle of the fairway. But the stupid one wasn't finished was he?? No, he had to drop another ball in the middle of the fairway and continued making practice shots up the hole stopping us from teeing off. I put in an official complaint when I got back to the clubhouse, it turned out the guy was a known trouble maker and had been reprimanded in the past about his behaviour. I saw my mate who had been playing with him that day a few days later and apologised about my behaviour and bad language but he fully understood and was still apologetic himself, although he had done nothing wrong. He said the guy had been like that all the way round and vowed never to play with him again.
So Nigel Osler, if you are reading this....both Bruce and I say "f*** off".
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A couple of years ago I experienced exactly the same thing when I barged through a four ball.

Nigel Osler
:D
 
I had one on Monday, not that bad really but annoying.

Me and the wife where enjoying a relaxing round and I had just hit the best 3 wood shot of my life on a par 4 leaving it about 7 foot from the pin and tapped the baby in and I turned to the wife who was on the fairway to see a ball miss her by yards and fly 20 yards in front of her!! I waited for HID to putt out and by this time the fellas behind us where walking towards their balls, I walked straight to them with putter in hand ready to stick it down his throat and made it very clear that due to the green been blind we have a bell and a large f*****g sign saying "Wait for the bell" and he had the cheek to try and justify himself, I went to town on him the flipping numpty.
 
I like this thread.... :D

Feel the luuurve ..... and there was me thinking how relaxing the game is , and how its played by gentlemen, sooooo not like football etc....... lol

I may have had some vague issues at my club, slow play, no shouts of 'fore' etc, but cripes fella's......if some of these incidents had happened to me, I think I would have lamped someone !
 
Unfortunately i'm probably like many people on here in that when confronted I front up right back. Fight or flight my a**e , its fight everytime i'm afraid. If pushed I push back harder until its decided who can push the hardest , this invariably leads to confrontations and well you know the rest....
 
We have a "Nigel Osler" at our place as well. I'd had a couple of run ins with him in the past and then one day I'm playing with him in a medal when one guy drops out and he got in as an alternate (this is the only way he can get in a comp as no-one will knowingly put there name down with him). Anyway 1st tee and he goes first follwed by me then the other guy. His shot has gone into some gorse on the right and I advise him to hit a prov. He says it'll be fine and as soon as the last guy hits he zooms off up the hole well in front of us and as we approach the gorse we hear a "found it" followed by a ball coming out onto the fairway with what looked suspiciously like a throw. We looked at each other as the other guy knew his rep as well. Anyway I told him I thought he'd substituted his ball and then thrown it out but as I had no proof I couldn't do anything about it but I didn't want him to "hit" any more shots when I couldn't see him as I was marking his card. He seemed to accept this a little too readily and we carried on. To rub salt in he played well and I had to sign his card and he ended up bloody winning. Anyway I said that I would never play with him again and then a few weeks ago I turn up on the 1st for a comp and there he is in as alternate again unbeknown to me. I apologised to the third guy and explained the situation walked back into the shop and withdrew from the comp, when asked why I told them and they sypmathised but said I would be banned for the next 2 comps. I said fine as I was going on holiday anyway and I went to our other course and had a very friendly round with 3 senior members who knew of him and were laughing all the way round when I told them what had happened.
Incidentally the third guy in the group when I withdrew sought me out a few weeks later and said he'd had similar issues and that if he was in that situation again he would do exactly what I did.
 
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