Handicap has lapsed!

[wull]

I'm such an arse,I didn't join my home club this year but as I get a free membership where I work I wasn't too fussed and knew I'd be able to keep my handicap.......

But after the secretary contacting the SGU it seems its lapsed as I've left it too long,bugger!!

So I'll need to submit 3 cards,happy days!!

 

[G1BB0]

not such a bad thing, h/c will be what it will be

 

[ScienceBoy]

Im pretty sure it lapsing doesnt affect it, you cannot go from 12 - 24 just because 3 cards say so right?

Mine has lapsed a couple of times but its still followed me everywhere thanks to HDID I guess.

 

[duncan mackie]

not such a bad thing, h/c will be what it will be

happy to bet it will be 5.6

 

[rosecott]

Im pretty sure it lapsing doesnt affect it, you cannot go from 12 - 24 just because 3 cards say so right?

Mine has lapsed a couple of times but its still followed me everywhere thanks to HDID I guess.

Handicaps in England don't lapse - it's a Scottish thing.

 

[DCB]

Handicaps in England don't lapse - it's a Scottish thing.

Don't think they lapse any more, just lose the (C) allocation as you haven't put in three cards the year before.

Re establishing it will take three cards and will reinstate it to what it was before.

 

[CMAC]

Don't think they lapse any more, just lose the (C) allocation as you haven't put in three cards the year before.

Re establishing it will take three cards and will reinstate it to what it was before.

how does that work if he submits 3 x 85? doesnt seem fair.

 

[DCB]

He's still a member at a club according to his op, his handicap only became non-competition, hence the lack of (C) on the handicap record. This was brought in to do away with lapsed handicaps a couple of seasons ago.


http://www.scottishgolf.org/club-services/handicapping/competition-handicaps/

 

[davidy233]

how does that work if he submits 3 x 85? doesnt seem fair.

Mine did that last year - I only really started back golfing at the end of the competition season and only and two comp rounds last year so was inactive, put in three cards on the shorter of our courses (SS 65 off the white tees) - they were 86, 84 and 83 - I'm 21 handicap and have never played to my handicap on our main course (Monifieth Medal) - I was 20.5 when I put in the cards and stayed 20.5 - had four buffers and two .1s from the six comps I've played this year (five opens and a home medal).

I'd reckon if my handicap was based on the wee course I'd be about 15 hcp and I'd have been delighted if they had cut me to 17-18 based on the cards I put in to make my handicap active again.

 

[rosecott]

Handicaps in England don't lapse - it's a Scottish thing.

Don't think they lapse any more, just lose the (C) allocation as you haven't put in three cards the year before.

Re establishing it will take three cards and will reinstate it to what it was before.

Right, should have said "was a Scottish thing".

Mine did that last year - I only really started back golfing at the end of the competition season and only and two comp rounds last year so was inactive, put in three cards on the shorter of our courses (SS 65 off the white tees) - they were 86, 84 and 83 - I'm 21 handicap and have never played to my handicap on our main course (Monifieth Medal) - I was 20.5 when I put in the cards and stayed 20.5 - had four buffers and two .1s from the six comps I've played this year (five opens and a home medal).

I'd reckon if my handicap was based on the wee course I'd be about 15 hcp and I'd have been delighted if they had cut me to 17-18 based on the cards I put in to make my handicap active again.

I would have thought that the 3 cards would be treated in the same way as Supplementaries so your 3 cards would be actioned as buffer, 2 under and 3 under and lead to a reduction. Or is that not the way it's done in Scotland?

 

[duncan mackie]

He's still a member at a club according to his op, his handicap only became non-competition, hence the lack of (C) on the handicap record. This was brought in to do away with lapsed handicaps a couple of seasons ago.


http://www.scottishgolf.org/club-services/handicapping/competition-handicaps/

I read the original post as -

1. he didn't renew his club membership (because he had a free membership available via work)
2. he didn't take up the free membership 'in time' in relation to his handicap - whatever that meant!

So, on that basis,

a. when he ceased his club membership his handicap is suspended
b. when he joins a club it will depend on the timing as to exactly what should happen.

i had thought that the changes to CONGU implemented on 1.1.14 covered all the unions in this regard, in which case the relevant clauses are

"26. Regaining a Handicap
Following suspension or lose of handicap.
26.1 If the handicap of a player is to be restored within six months of the date in which his handicap was lost, or suspended, it must be reinstated at the same handicap the player last held.
26.2 If a player’s handicap is to be restored within 6 to 12 months then it must be reinstated at the same handicap the player last held but not marked as a competition handicap (c). In all other cases the player shall be allotted a new handicap after he has complied with the requirements of Clause 16 (this covers putting in 3 cards)
26.3 A Category 1 handicap must not be allotted without the approval of the Union or Area Authority."

However, if Scotland has continued it's independence the relevant clauses will be

"26.1 If the handicap of a player is to be restored within six months of the date on which his handicap was
lost, or suspended, it must be reinstated at the same handicap the player last held. In all other cases
the player shall be allotted a new handicap after he has complied with the requirements of Clause
16.
26.2 When restoring a handicap which has been lost or suspended for more than six months the Handicap
Committee, in addition to proceeding as required by Clause 16,must give due and full consideration
to the handicap the player last held. A Category 1 handicap must not be allotted without the approval
of the Union or Area Authority if so delegated."

 

[DCB]

I see where you're coming from. It was the use of the term 'lapsed' that got me thinking down the line I went.

CDH should have flagged up the issue to his away club that he no longer had a home club.

 

[davidy233]

Right, should have said "was a Scottish thing".



I would have thought that the 3 cards would be treated in the same way as Supplementaries so your 3 cards would be actioned as buffer, 2 under and 3 under and lead to a reduction. Or is that not the way it's done in Scotland?

Indeed I'd have thought they'd have taken it into consideration.

Appears so in clause 2.6 of the pdf explaining how to implement it http://www.scottishgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/Competition-Handicaps-Implementation-Controls.pdf

As I said I've never played to my handicap in a comp on our big course in seven years since becoming a member here - maybe they took my record on our main competition course into consideration too - put me on the wee course and I'm a threat though - sadly for me there is only one qualifying comp for us on that course a year - and I missed it this year.

 

[sawtooth]

If you are unattached from a club for 6 months or more then your "lifetime" CDH ID will cease to exist.

Therefore you will no longer have a recognised, valid handicap on the CDH.

If you PM me your details I could always double check on CDH as I am the handicap sec at our place.

 

[rosecott]

If you are unattached from a club for 6 months or more then your "lifetime" CDH ID will cease to exist.

Therefore you will no longer have a recognised, valid handicap on the CDH.

If you PM me your details I could always double check on CDH as I am the handicap sec at our place.

I assumed that the amendments to Clause 26 of the CONGU manual meant that those returning to club membership between 6 and 12 months absence would be re-instated with the previous handicap and CDH number.

Also I don't think you will be able to access the Scottish CDH.

 

[Loz1607]

I am in a similar position, I didnt renew my club membership about 3 years ago and am in the process of joining a new club.

Am I right in thinking that my new handicap at the new club will be based upon the 3 cards I submit. I previously played off 8, but would be closer to 13-14 based on the way I am currently playing. Although I know I will be back to the previous level within a few months. I dont want to upset members at the new club by scoring 40+ points of a net 62 and would happily go back off 8 straight away. I see it as a target to make sure I start playing well again, without a buffer of more shots

 

[rosecott]

I am in a similar position, I didnt renew my club membership about 3 years ago and am in the process of joining a new club.

Am I right in thinking that my new handicap at the new club will be based upon the 3 cards I submit. I previously played off 8, but would be closer to 13-14 based on the way I am currently playing. Although I know I will be back to the previous level within a few months. I dont want to upset members at the new club by scoring 40+ points of a net 62 and would happily go back off 8 straight away. I see it as a target to make sure I start playing well again, without a buffer of more shots

You need to inform your new club of your playing and handicap history which they should take into account together with the 3 cards submitted.

 

[Loz1607]

You need to inform your new club of your playing and handicap history which they should take into account together with the 3 cards submitted.

Thanks

I have put my previous club and handicap on the application form, I will discuss it with them further when I do my three cards. Want to get off on the right foot at new club, not labelled a bandit lol

 

[sawtooth]

I assumed that the amendments to Clause 26 of the CONGU manual meant that those returning to club membership between 6 and 12 months absence would be re-instated with the previous handicap and CDH number.

Also I don't think you will be able to access the Scottish CDH.

Will clause 26 only apply if the player is returning to the same club? In theory a new club will not have the player history nor would they be able to look that up with the CDH if its been 6 months or more. Unless they changed the time taken for the CDH ID to expire from 6 months to 12 months?

And yes sorry I wouldn't have access to the Scottish CDH.

 

[rosecott]

Will clause 26 only apply if the player is returning to the same club? In theory a new club will not have the player history nor would they be able to look that up with the CDH if its been 6 months or more. Unless they changed the time taken for the CDH ID to expire from 6 months to 12 months?

I don't have an answer - maybe someone else knows.