handicap cut by 3 is it fair and correct

[mike912]

Hi folks, my handicap was 26 and I hit a round of net 76 so they cut my handicap to 23. When I asked him why his reply was "because I can" I had 2 10's on my card and 3 7's he then said it was of stableford adjustment but it was a stroke play comp. With preferred lies through the greens , mats were optional
Also i have never broken 100
This now means i need to improve by arround 14 shots in 7 days to have any chance of winning next week

Seems a bit harsh to me
Your thoughts please

MIke

 

[BTatHome]

Stableford adjustment is how all handicaps are calculated, and would have take those 10's and 7's to something less ... Without knowing further details of the comp CSS and what SI those blow ups occurred on its difficult to be 100% sure if the cut is correct.

 

[mike912]

course is par 71
I hit 10 on a par5 si2
10 on a par5 si7
7 on a par3 si15
7 on a par4 si1
And 7 on a par par 5 si3

 

[G1BB0]

Mike, I posted similar last year, won a comp and had 2 runners up and got cut to 21 by ESR so a 5.4 shot cut. I wasnt happy but at the same time thought I have played to that so can maintain it, a few ups and downs since and off 22 over a year later. You will either have a lot of 0.1's or find the challenge is just what you needed.

Enjoy the new h/c and dont worry if you dont play to it, if they are wrong then I am sure it will get amended in due course.

 

[Foxholer]

Was it just a throwaway comment by the H/Sec?

If you can say what the SI and Par of the holes you made the big numbers on was, then it will be clearer. And the CSS of the comp too. Stableford Adjustment (cutting a high score to the equivalent of 0 points) means that it's often simpler to guage your score by using Stableford - against Par and CSS. The other thing to check is how many comps you have played since being allocated the 26. Oh, and what was your old Exact handicap and what is your new one? as even coming down 1 shot better than 2.0 can easily mean 3 shots off your Playing handicap.

And another question. Are you playing comps to win? Or to become a lower handicap (better) golfer?

If it has been done purely by the system, you have actually played to a lower handicap than one you are now on, so there should be no need for thoughts about not being able to play to it. And that can be shown if you provide the details above too.

 

[mike912]

I have posted si's and par what does css mean please

I was 28 and wone a 9 hole mid week so I lost 2 in sept today they have tahen 3 giving me 26.0
I' only played in around 4 comps since sept and hit 108 104 107 102

Id like to hit par for course but theyr making it harder for me

 

[Foxholer]

course is par 71
I hit 10 on a par5 si2
10 on a par5 si7
7 on a par3 si15
7 on a par4 si1
And 7 on a par par 5 si3

S/A 1
S/A 1
S/A 1
S/A 0
S/A 0

So 3 shots total Stableford Adjustment. Are you sure that wasn't what he said? As opposed to 3 shots handicap adjustment!

 

[mike912]

Css72 par 71

 

[mike912]

I can understand stableford adjustment but it gives me no chance on stroke comps

 

[Andy]

So you want to win comps but not have your handicap cut?

 

[Foxholer]

CSS is based on SSS, which needs to be explained first.

Each course is Rated in order that a handicap held at a Tough course can be equated to one held at a more forgiving course. So the tough course could have SSS 1 or 2 over Par, while the forgiving can have a SSS 2 or 3 below par.

CSS applies a formula based on the scores on the day to adjust SSS slightly 'for the conditions on the day'.

Your score wouldn't have been particularly special, so I reckon that 3 shot Stableford Adjustment was what the H/Sec mentioned. That would put 'in buffer' - as you would have been (just) without them. Actually quite 'consistent' for someone at your level, so likely to get another cut soon.

I can understand stableford adjustment but it gives me no chance on stroke comps

Stop scoring such big numbers! :rofl:

The lower handicappers would say it gives you an advantage in Stableford comps! Which is why comps are often split into Divisions.

 

[mike912]

Yes and he has taken 3 shots off my handicap

 

[mike912]

So you want to win comps but not have your handicap cut?

No I just want to get round on par Im 5 over playing off 26 and now I loose another3

 

[mike912]

S/A 1
S/A 1
S/A 1
S/A 0
S/A 0

So 3 shots total Stableford Adjustment. Are you sure that wasn't what he said? As opposed to 3 shots handicap adjustment!

He said that but hes taken 3 off my handicap

 

[mike912]

CSS is based on SSS, which needs to be explained first.

Each course is Rated in order that a handicap held at a Tough course can be equated to one held at a more forgiving course. So the tough course could have SSS 1 or 2 over Par, while the forgiving can have a SSS 2 or 3 below par.

CSS applies a formula based on the scores on the day to adjust SSS slightly 'for the conditions on the day'.

Your score wouldn't have been particularly special, so I reckon that 3 shot Stableford Adjustment was what the H/Sec mentioned. That would put 'in buffer' - as you would have been (just) without them. Actually quite 'consistent' for someone at your level, so likely to get another cut soon.



Stop scoring such big numbers! :rofl:

The lower handicappers would say it gives you an advantage in Stableford comps! Which is why comps are often split into Divisions.

Gonna have to stop scoring such big numbers lolne:

 

[Foxholer]

Yes and he has taken 3 shots off my handicap

As your scores don't indicate any automatic reduction, he may have decided that the initial allocation was too high - which he can do. Have you actually seen that your handicap is now 23? That 3 shot Stableford Adjustment seems rather coincidental. Is the club on HowDidIDo or HandicapMaster? Though HowDidIDo may not reflect what is actually on the Club System (which is the Official one).

Certainly important to check your handicap, if it's not been printed on the card, before next compo because if you play off one that's higher than your official one, you get Disqualified from the comp!

 

[mike912]

I on howdidido it says 26 on that but 23 on club computer

 

[Tashyboy]

Hi folks, my handicap was 26 and I hit a round of net 76 so they cut my handicap to 23. When I asked him why his reply was "because I can" I had 2 10's on my card and 3 7's he then said it was of stableford adjustment but it was a stroke play comp. With preferred lies through the greens , mats were optional
Also i have never broken 100
This now means i need to improve by arround 14 shots in 7 days to have any chance of winning next week

Seems a bit harsh to me
Your thoughts please

MIke

Mike from someone who is playing off 23.6 = 24 and is busting a gut to get below 20 all I can say is congratulations.

I played my first comp last year captains day and flipping won it playing off 27. Summation I was dropped 2.8 and was mega mega narked. Why coz the following week someone won a mid week comp playing off 27 got 42 points same as me but was dropped 2.8 plus 2.0 for exceptional play. Why because he shot 6 pars but blobbed on 4 but I only blobbed on 1 what's that all about. In my way of thinking I was more consistent on a pressure day and he shot a similar score on a knockabout comp.

Over the season it will level itself out

 

[markgs]

good you should be drooped too, its the name of the game

 

[mike912]

Mike from someone who is playing off 23.6 = 24 and is busting a gut to get below 20 all I can say is congratulations.

I played my first comp last year captains day and flipping won it playing off 27. Summation I was dropped 2.8 and was mega mega narked. Why coz the following week someone won a mid week comp playing off 27 got 42 points same as me but was dropped 2.8 plus 2.0 for exceptional play. Why because he shot 6 pars but blobbed on 4 but I only blobbed on 1 what's that all about. In my way of thinking I was more consistent on a pressure day and he shot a similar score on a knockabout comp.

Over the season it will level itself out

The thing that gets me is ive not improved from sept when they docked me 2 for winnind a mid week 9 hole comp so why now