Handicap Adjustments

[Spinn77]

Guys, a couple of questions about supposed cuts to ta players handicap.

On Saturday i played a stableford comp, off 11.5. I shot 41 points and won the competition. I wasn't cut, the score sheet says the CSS was 66 (same as SSS). Still off 11.5 on sunday then...

Sunday, another stableford comp, i shoot 40 points. A playing partner shoots 41 so i think nothing of it. Played tonight and discovered that there were two divisions - i won Div 1 on count back. Still no cut and again the sheet says CSS was 66.

So after to competition wins, consecutive days where i shoot 81 points, i've not been cut.

Is the Handicap guy doing this right? I think not as if i win, surely i've shot the lowest score to handicap - and i shot 77 on sat and 78 on sunday (course par is 70 and im off 12).

Is there any explanation as to why i didnt get a cut?

 

[Imurg]

Maybe the comps were non qualifiers for some reason

 

[Spinn77]

That's an essential bit i left out....They were qualifyers.

thought i'd covered everything too in that post!!!

 

[Region3]

With par 70, css 66, playing to your handicap would be 40pts, so I'd have thought you should have been cut 0.2 for the first round.

There must be a simple explanation

 

[Imurg]

The first round should have got you a .2 cut as you were 1 below CSS. That should have put you off 11. The second round was on CSS so no cut there.

 

[Up_Point_1]

If the CSS for the day was 66 for a par 70 course then shooting 40 points is simply playing to your handicap and that wont get you a handicap cut.

If the CSS was 70 and the par was 70 and you shot 40 points then you'd be cut...........0.8 me thinks.

Prepared to be proven wrong however by others

UP1.

 

[Spinn77]

OK, so this might be my understanding thats wrong then.

Can someone explain why 40 points is playing to handicap. I am well confused. I didnt realise that the CSS was linked to this, just thought that 36 points was the handicap marker

 

[Ethan]

The first round should have got you a .2 cut as you were 1 below CSS. That should have put you off 11. The second round was on CSS so no cut there.

I am with imurg on this. 0.2 cut for the 41 points, nothing for 40. If the handicap adjustment had taken immediate effect, 39 points the second day off 11, not 12.

 

[Ethan]

OK, so this might be my understanding thats wrong then.

Can someone explain why 40 points is playing to handicap. I am well confused. I didnt realise that the CSS was linked to this, just thought that 36 points was the handicap marker

Points are based on par but the par is not the same as CSS. On an easy course or an easy day, CSS is a lot less than par. On a hard course or a hard day it may be the same or higher, so 36 points may get a cut on one day or one course when CSS is high, but get shots back on another when CSS is low.

 

[JustOne]

I must admit I hate the whole system regarding CSS. I'm not sure exactly what it takes to make a Par70 have a CSS of 66 on the day - do they draw the breaks of the putts on for you????

4 shots is a lot for any course unless they move the tees forward to the front of the GREENS!

 

[Spinn77]

Ok thanks guys, i just accept that i need to better 40 points to get a cut then. Maybe i was off 11.7 on the sat and that would mean everything is right. I didnt think i was but may have been (either way its 12 and perhaps i didnt notice).

The highest I have ever seen our CSS is 69 and that was the week before at our first 'major' where they fertilised the rough and put the pins on the biggest slopes.

 

[Smiffy]

Bloke I played with on Sunday was telling me his club cut handicaps on general play and MATCHPLAY results?
How the hell can handicaps be cut on matchplay results when you are giving putts left, right and centre and picking up on certain holes???
He said that a couple of guys he knows there have even been cut on rumours that they had had a good round, with no scorecards handed in at all.
How the hell does that work then??????

 

[Twire]

I must admit I hate the whole system regarding CSS. I'm not sure exactly what it takes to make a Par70 have a CSS of 66 on the day - do they draw the breaks of the putts on for you????

The OP did say the SSS is also 66 so it looks like an easy course. Probably half a dozen 300 yard par 4's

 

[freddielong]

All the numbers make sense above, the only thing I have a concern with is how the CSS could be 66 when you won with 40 points, was there a group of plyers with 40 points ?

 

[Fyldewhite]

All the numbers make sense above, the only thing I have a concern with is how the CSS could be 66 when you won with 40 points, was there a group of plyers with 40 points ?

The CSS always starts from the SSS. It will only move if an unusually large or small proportion of Cat 1-3 players score better than SSS+2 (in this case nett 68 or 38 points). The actual number of "good" scores has nothing to do with the calculation.

 

[freddielong]

Ok my point was more if the css is based on how easy or hard the course was playing, if the winner only just managed to equal it surely it should have been higher 67 or 68

 

[birdieman]

The CSS is also weighted towards Cat 1, then Cat2, then Cat 3. Statistics show Cat 1 players are the most consistent in their scoring, less likely to have big fluctuations in scoring.

The following examples on stableford scoring show the relationshiop between par and CSS for what you should score (nett) for your handicap -

Par 70, CSS 70 - 36 points is bang on handicap.
Par 70, CSS 71 - 35 points is bang on handicap.
Par 70, CSS 66 - 40 points is bang on handicap

etc etc.

The CSS is calculated separately for any 36 hole events and your actual handicap can change on the day between rounds although it is quite common for the sake of the competition to use the same handicap the whole day.

CSS can come down only 1 from SSS but can go up 3 from SSS, after that comp becomes reductions only.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Ok my point was more if the css is based on how easy or hard the course was playing, if the winner only just managed to equal it surely it should have been higher 67 or 68

Yeah, see your point. Could have been a lot of scores SSS+1 or SSS+2 and perhaps a small field I suppose. Then again, as above the first round should have been 0.2 deduction but wasn't so maybe non qualifying anyway. Lies, damn lies and statistics !!

 

[freddielong]

I know these things are made overly complicated I have never really looked into the CSS rules before but think I might

 

[Twire]

CSS can come down only 1 from SSS but can go up 3 from SSS, after that comp becomes reductions only.

My course is par 70 SSS 71, but we often have a CSS of 69........???