Grip chat (boring thread)

[virtuocity]

Despite someone working hard to help me with my grip, I reckon it remains an area I will need to keep working on.

I was wondering if everyone else knew this and whether I have been VERY slow on the uptake?! Assume your left hand grip and make sure it goes through the fingers. Add your right hand and then trip to flip the club. I struggled with this, but I perform more flips than a Russian gymnast.

Now, put the club through the palm of your left hand, add your right and try to flip.

Does everyone now find it incredibly easy to flip? Or is it just me

 

[garyinderry]

I cant fathom what you are on about here? more details please. why are you trying to flip the club? what exactly do you mean by flipping. casting motion?

 

[Slab]

Not sure either, are you trying to perfect the pro club twirl after a good shot!

 

[virtuocity]

I am just noticing that it's a lot more difficult to flip the club (clubhead passing the hands) when the grip is in the fingers rather than through the palm.

 

[garyinderry]

grand. the grip should be in the fingers. it is possible to flip the club while having it in your fingers. you might want to have that kind of motion in a bunker or playing a bit of a lob shot.

 

[phildunphy]

I am just noticing that it's a lot more difficult to flip the club (clubhead passing the hands) when the grip is in the fingers rather than through the palm.

disagree

 

[virtuocity]

disagree

So you can get the same range of movement whether you've got a good left hand grip or a bad one?

 

[lex!]

Not a boring thread, I like the technical stuff. I thought that the grip in the fingers is supposed to make everything more flexible, freeing up the wrist hinge whilst preventing the club slipping around in the palms.

 

[JustOne]

The difference you should be looking at is the HINGE on the backswing, you can't hinge/set with the club across the palm, it needs to be somewhat in the fingers. forget about what's happening THRU the ball.

 

[One Planer]

disagree

Quelle surprise.

 

[chrisd]

I wouldn't be thinking of anything other than what is the right grip Dave, practise it all day and make sure that you always use it and it won't let you down!

 

[Foxholer]

My left hand grip is definitely a finger grip - the right hand one probably a little more 'palmy'.

What do you actually mean by 'flip'? Which direction? Deliberately? During the swing? The Russian acrobat analogy certainly hasn't helped - rather a different action to what I understand as 'flip' in a Golf swing - a hurried full release of the club before impact that means the left knuckles are ahead of the wrist rather than behind them (wrist bowed rather than bent).

 

[the_coach]

So you can get the same range of movement whether you've got a good left hand grip or a bad one?

No, you can't get the same range or correct motion with a bad grip, either in one or both hands.
(there should be no flip of the hands/wrists anywhere in a golf swing)


You never want to 'hold' the club in the 'palm' of the left or right hand.


Holding the club mainly in the palm of the left (RH golfer) won't allow the left hand to 'cock' in the correct anatomical condition and will limit the amount of movement, so limit the club-head speed (& accuracy) your swing motion would be able to produce with a correct grip.


Simple check you can do to feel this is;
With the club in the wrong position in your left palm, simply with this palm positioned left hand only on grip (right behind your back)
From address slowly swing and turn to the position in your backswing when your left arm is parallel to the ground, (no cheating by relaxing, letting go or changing from the palm grip during this move!) and you'll see it's impossible to get a 90 degree "L" shape between left arm and the left wrist & club shaft, it will be a lot less than 90.


The handle (grip) of your club should run from the crook you form in your first finger, diagonally across from it so the butt end is under the fleshy pad in the palm of your left hand and not directly under your thumb, so you'd feel this pad is on top of the grip, the left thumb lies vertically down the top right side of the handle. Then you just close the rest of the fingers around the handle.


The 'snuff box' joint (radial fossa) on your left wrist is the fulcrum for the upward left wrist cocking motion and at address this should be atop of the grip (analogy: if you were able to push a pin through this snuff box it would go straight into the topside of the handle, pin wouldn't miss the handle left or right.)


Here's good instruction for getting a good grip. (& the arm by the side while taking the left hand position is the way you'll always see Adam Scott start to form his grip).


This is the link to the left hand grip after you've watched that a few times click on the name (Larry Hamilton Golf 6 videos) and you'll see the video for the 'right hand grip' too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMLpg38gEJE


Hope this is of help.

 

[JustOne]

I'll add - practicing flipping the club with your arms/hands/wrists by standing still and swinging your arms or whatever is not practicing something that really happens.... because when you make a full swing your body SHOULD be turning, preventing you from stalling and then flipping the club. The hands/arms should more-or-less be playing catch-up to your shoulders whilst the club head is also playing catch-up to your hands.... only if you stall/stop your turn would you 'flip'.

Head behind the ball, hands forwards, 7° shaft lean - there is no flip!

 

[Foxholer]

Quelle surprise.

disagree

 

[One Planer]

disagree

:rofl: Behave!

 

[nickyj4]

I always thought my grip was good, had a lesson the other week and was holding it to much in palm of left hand which was causing me to push ball right. Now have the grip more in fingers with v of thumb pointing at right shoulder, then got me to line up where i want ball to go and hit it to the right. Ball went where i wanted with a nice soft draw, now just need to make it natural now.

So there is no need to flip the club

 

[Foxholer]

:rofl: Behave!

Spoilsport!

 

[One Planer]

Spoilsport!

I know :whoo:

 

[virtuocity]

I've clearly used a lovely left hand palmy grip over the past 4 months or so.

I just hit 10 holes there, what a difference. I was relieved that my more 'fingery' grip could be integrated immediately. I was worried about hitting shanks etc to begin with.

I noticed immediate differences in my shot shapes. No more pulls and felt a lot more in control when chipping. Driver shot shape really softened and I hit a dead straight 9 iron from 135 yards to 2 feet right in front of the greens convener :whoo:

I definitely need some fatter grips on the clubs though- have just bought off-the-shelf irons and I feel like there is a lot of room when gripping in my fingers.

Thanks to all for the contributions.