GP Scores - 2 hour entry limit

[Arthur Wedge]

Should the two hour time limit from starting a card to entering it be changed ?

We are still seeing people start cards half way round and having to delete them


Should they change it to 4 hours ? Which is your standard round of golf these days to ensure the card is started before you play ( obviously 2 hours for 9 holes )

 

[Imurg]

I think 3 hours is sufficient..we get round in a whisker over 3 hours so 4 hours would be a PITA.
As with many aspects of WHS it's not the system, as such, it's abuse of the system that causes these problems.
For a game, supposedly, with integrity enshrined in the fabric it seems a little lacking sometimes...

 

[DickInShorts]

A two ball can get round our course in two and a half hours if the course is quiet! Usually in 3 ball medals just over 3 hours is attainable by the early groups and 3 3/4 hours is considered borderline slow!

 

[D-S]

Should the two hour time limit from starting a card to entering it be changed ?

We are still seeing people start cards half way round and having to delete them


Should they change it to 4 hours ? Which is your standard round of golf these days to ensure the card is started before you play ( obviously 2 hours for 9 holes )

It would be a step in the right direction, as would time fencing the creation of a card to daylight hours (with an error message educating the golfer), as would geo fencing the attester as promised 4 years ago.
Helping volunteers and reducing their workload is not high on the authority’s priority list.

Reading the other comments I think 3 hours would be sensible.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think 3 hours is sufficient..we get round in a whisker over 3 hours so 4 hours would be a PITA.
As with many aspects of WHS it's not the system, as such, it's abuse of the system that causes these problems.
For a game, supposedly, with integrity enshrined in the fabric it seems a little lacking sometimes...

Very true about the integrity but people still start cards halfway around

A two ball can get round our course in two and a half hours if the course is quiet! Usually in 3 ball medals just over 3 hours is attainable by the early groups and 3 3/4 hours is considered borderline slow!

I think there will always be rounds that can be quicker and 3 hours might be better but still opens it up for someone to start an hour into the round

It would be a step in the right direction, as would time fencing the creation of a card to daylight hours (with an error message educating the golfer), as would geo fencing the attester as promised 4 years ago.
Helping volunteers and reducing their workload is not high on the authority’s priority list.

Reading the other comments I think 3 hours would be sensible.

There is so much they can do to reduce the ability to manipulate

The EG app or ability to enter cards theory is a good thing

But so easy to manipulate-not sure how many cards we delete on a weekly basis

 

[Bagger Vance]

I never enter general play cards, what is the issue with the current system?

 

[jim8flog]

Where I play we sometimes have rounds that approach 5 hours* by the time you get back in to club house, particularly when we have a visiting society or a group match in front of us.
I always use the EG app sign up before going out and never enter the scores during the round.

* The club expected maximum time is 3 hours 57 minutes (from memory)

In our group everybody is expected to submit a GP score but being seniors some forget to do it on the first tee but will correct their error by the 2nd green/3rd tee after which the distance is too far to the club house to register a score intent I believe.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I never enter general play cards, what is the issue with the current system?

Was wondering this as well. Perhaps I’m missing something but if someone could explain what the issue is I may understand.

We don’t have a terminal in our clubhouse to enter rounds into so in order to register one it has to be done via mobile which in itself is an issue as signal at my club is rare as rocking horse poo.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I never enter general play cards, what is the issue with the current system?

You are able to enter a scorecard two hours after starting it

So people are starting a card halfway round

Rule are you must start ( pre register ) before starting your round

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

You are able to enter a scorecard two hours after starting it

So people are starting a card halfway round

Rule are you must start ( pre register ) before starting your round

Genuine question though. How do you police it regardless of how many hours you put in as a time limit.

I’m genuinely intrigued because as mentioned above we don’t have a terminal to pre register rounds before stepping onto the course, so all has to be done via mobile which then also raises issues especially at my club where signal can’t even be described as intermittent but more like non existent especially near our club house yet ironically at the furthest point away from it you can get signal so the issue you mention can occur.

I do get the point of those raising it having already started but again I don’t see where increasing the time will stop that. I’m genuinely intrigued as I’m looking at joining our handicap committee come the AGM next month to help out.

 

[D-S]

There is a report which shows a time stamp on scorecard creation also on score entered and also on time attested. So if an 18 hole scorecard is created at 11.00 amd entered at 13.00 then there is something wrong.
Also quite a few scorecards are created let’s say in the South of England in April at 21.00 and entered at 23.00 again something dodgy is going on.

 

[wjemather]

The 2 hour restriction is nothing more than a loose safeguard against blatant rule breaking. I'd be surprised if most clubs don't have several members who have no problem getting round in around that time if they have clear air in front of them.
2 hours is a perfectly adequate timeframe for the intended purpose and it should not be extended as doing so would create other problems, e.g. scores not being submitted/attested following play by those who finish inside the time and forgetting to do it later, for negligible benefit.
Committees seeing problems simply need to educate their members, and take further action against those who persist in not following the rules.

 

[TerryA]

As a handicap secretary I check the download time from the WHS system - these are timestamped - report that I have access to. If the timestamp is after the players tee time start then that card is deleted from his records and a reminder sent 3 strikes and a penalty score is invoked.

 

[irip]

Are you allowed to register for a round but enter the scores when you get back to the clubhouse?
Fourball I normally play in do this.
Write the scores down on a card then fill in scorecard in phone after the round.
This is social/Gp card not a competition

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Are you allowed to register for a round but enter the scores when you get back to the clubhouse?
Fourball I normally play in do this.
Write the scores down on a card then fill in scorecard in phone after the round.
This is social/Gp card not a competition

Yes. It's how I've done it previously. Seen plenty of others do it this way as well.

It's how you would enter on the computer screen after a round, I see no difference.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Are you allowed to register for a round but enter the scores when you get back to the clubhouse?
Fourball I normally play in do this.
Write the scores down on a card then fill in scorecard in phone after the round.
This is social/Gp card not a competition

Yep - just start the scorecard before you start and then fill it all out when done afterwards

 

[irip]

Yep - just start the scorecard before you start and then fill it all out when done afterwards

That’s what I thought but have not had an official handicap since I came back to golf.
The other half of me is quite disappointed I couldn’t accuse my mates of all being cheats

 

[IanM]

2 hours struck me as odd. Was this to accommodate 9 hole rounds and they couldn't set two time scales? (Is it the same for 9 holes? I never enter them)

 

[Orikoru]

2 hours struck me as odd. Was this to accommodate 9 hole rounds and they couldn't set two time scales? (Is it the same for 9 holes? I never enter them)

I was going to say - I think commenters above were forgetting that you can enter a 9-hole card as well as an 18-hole one.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what time limit you set it to. People can still register their card after the round while they're still at the club, and submit 5 hours later when they're sat at home if they want to. Changing the time would make no difference.

 

[Colin L]

I was going to say - I think commenters above were forgetting that you can enter a 9-hole card as well as an 18-hole one.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what time limit you set it to. People can still register their card after the round while they're still at the club, and submit 5 hours later when they're sat at home if they want to. Changing the time would make no difference.

Your club doesn't have a booking sheet?