golf society issues - advice reqd

[Grip it and rip it]

Hi Guys

I am a member of a golf society and recently some issues have been raised to the society organizer which have basically fell on deaf ears to the tune of "if you dont like it play elsewhere"

the issues raised were with the pricing of certain events where as on the society website the package price is stated but if you do some research yourself with the course you can get a cheaper deal than advertised on the society event page.

now within the society price is inclusive of trophies but taking this into account the price they quote is still higher than "joe public" can get the same deal for.

when asked about the price of these events 2 members of the society have now been banned for 6 months with no real warning or anything else for the posts they put on the site.

please see a couple of pictures of screenies i took


now in this post he mentions the posts he removed 1 of which was from another society higher member and i quote "if you are accusing us of fiddling then have the pair to say it" (have the pair was very much more explicit than that"
then another post on the forum came up

now in this post he mentions vindictive and personal posts and has subsequently banned 2 people from the society

i did see all the posts involved and there were no personal attacks on any member just issues raised with the pricing as also stated in his post, yes there were a couple of swear words used 1 i have already exampled.

now how can he Ban 2 people for asking about prices and using vindictive posting yet allow another member to get away scott free and also post his thoughts

feedback required please

 

[Ethan]

I would take his advice and play elsewhere.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Without seeing all the posts both public and private, it's impossible to comment.

 

[macca64]

I would kick into touch and start a new one, after all, is meant to be a day with the lads and have a good day, not a load of hassle !

 

[Grip it and rip it]

unfortunately all the previous posts were deleted, these are the only 2 left on

i did see them and the first post exampled the price difference between the society and the course in question and at no point were any derogatory or vindictive comments made
later in the discussion a few posts were made that contained swearing and as i exampled one of which came from a higher meber so to speak

 

[Grip it and rip it]

I would kick into touch and start a new one, after all, is meant to be a day with the lads and have a good day, not a load of hassle !

i do already run a small society myself of around 20 members and have been going for about 1yr since the pricing issue was first raised, but do still have members of this society i call friends

 

[Blue in Munich]

i do already run a small society myself of around 20 members and have been going for about 1yr since the pricing issue was first raised, but do still have members of this society i call friends

So invite your friends to join your society?

 

[Hobbit]

Time to move on. Why take on the hassle in your social life? Work is for hassle, golf is for fun.

 

[bladeplayer]

its a society , my society is my no score card no pressure fun day out .. i find with most societies they get a discount for the group rate then add aprox €5 to the cost price and charge that..

there are some societies who charge more but use the excess to fund a cheap day out at a dearer course ..

societies do need a cash flow tho as they may need deposits to secure bookings long before they get cash off the members ..

For me and i only speak for myself i dont look up the costs of the courses we play, i trust the society committee and i leave it at that ..


My thought for you .. find or better still start another society

EDIT... apologies just seen post #6 now .. so expand your own society to include the friends you left behind

 

[Grip it and rip it]

its a society , my society is my no score card no pressure fun day out .. i find with most societies they get a discount for the group rate then add aprox €5 to the cost price and charge that..

there are some societies who charge more but use the excess to fund a cheap day out at a dearer course ..

societies do need a cash flow tho as they may need deposits to secure bookings long before they get cash off the members ..

For me and i only speak for myself i dont look up the costs of the courses we play, i trust the society committee and i leave it at that ..


My thought for you .. find or better still start another society

i fully understand that some societies need to find money for deposits but this one manages to secure bookings with either £50 or £100 deposits quite easily covered by most.
after looking at other games posted after this issue was first raised over 1 year ago i have looked into the deals they get and at none of the events have there been subsidised play at a dearer course

all the first poster was asking was for some clarity in where the extra money was being used for and maybe a show of the society accounts

 

[Blue in Munich]

i fully understand that some societies need to find money for deposits but this one manages to secure bookings with either £50 or £100 deposits quite easily covered by most.
after looking at other games posted after this issue was first raised over 1 year ago i have looked into the deals they get and at none of the events have there been subsidised play at a dearer course

all the first poster was asking was for some clarity in where the extra money was being used for and maybe a show of the society accounts

Well you're obviously not happy, you can't see where the money's going and life's too short for the aggravation over something this small. Oh, and from his "CV" at the bottom of the posts, the gentleman in question seems more than a bit up himself. Remind us why it is you were thinking of staying with them?

 

[bladeplayer]

all the first poster was asking was for some clarity in where the extra money was being used for and maybe a show of the society accounts

Which is a fair and reasonable question..

im lucky as we have an AGM and we get all that as standard

 

[Grip it and rip it]

im lucky as we have an AGM and we get all that as standard

unfortunately this societies higher members deem it unessersary to have agm's as they "run" the society and like they say "if you dont like it go away" to put it politely

in my opinion they are definately hiding something and are hell bent on keeping it quiet from the other members

 

[Blue in Munich]

unfortunately this societies higher members deem it unessersary to have agm's as they "run" the society and like they say "if you dont like it go away" to put it politely

in my opinion they are definately hiding something and are hell bent on keeping it quiet from the other members

In which case your choices are to say nothing and keep handing them your money, report the matter of the alleged fraud or whatever it is they are hiding to the appropriate authorities or walk away.

 

[6inchcup]

i used to be a member of a society run from my local cricket club,we played top quality courses and had a nine hole comp after a bacon roll then lunch then an 18 hole comp then an evening meal after which it was the prize giving,the cost used to range from £35 upto £75 dependent on the course we played and how many members over the min 12 needed to be classed as a society,all the trips were booked through a company and it came to light that the organiser never paid for the trips,it then came to light that he let his son go free if he didn't go or one of his mates came along for a freeby even though not a member of the society,when it was raised at a meeting and the freeby should be a prize he spat his dummy out and called us all skinflints and he stormed out never to be seen again ( he joined another society were his mate played) the new organiser split the cost of the free place across the board a much better option.

 

[Foxholer]

unfortunately this societies higher members deem it unessersary to have agm's as they "run" the society and like they say "if you dont like it go away" to put it politely

in my opinion they are definately hiding something and are hell bent on keeping it quiet from the other members

Higher Members? What are they?

Everyone is equal in the societies I've played in - though there's a perennial organiser in a couple.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The answer is simple. Get your mates to join the one you already run or start a separate one. You seem to have a good handle on prices and how these things run so go for it. I'm sure you'll find once word gets out there will be a large take up ad if the powers that be then want to join as well you have the power to veto them if they don't change.

 

[duncan mackie]

feedback required please

CGL is, as many many such organisers, arranging events for individuls on a basis of them choosing to play - or not.

it doesn't seem to represent itself on the basis of 'we can get you on the course cheaper' or similar; far from it, it appeals to the easy arrangements banner in the same way as many similar groups - picking one that has been raised here before yuou have Golf Day's UK and it's 'Tours'.

Can an individual arrange to play these courses 'cheaper' - yes. Is the margin involved to play an organsied event with structure, prizes, etc - only the individual can decide; if you are SE and charged at £30 ph it's rather obvious that 30 mins phoning around to arrange a tee time is £15.....strangely some people don't put any value on their time (move on) and other's put an even more realistic value on the hassle that such arrangers resolve (as I would/do)

Long way of saying - make your own mind up

 

[Golfmmad]

i used to be a member of a society run from my local cricket club,we played top quality courses and had a nine hole comp after a bacon roll then lunch then an 18 hole comp then an evening meal after which it was the prize giving,the cost used to range from £35 upto £75 dependent on the course we played and how many members over the min 12 needed to be classed as a society,all the trips were booked through a company and it came to light that the organiser never paid for the trips,it then came to light that he let his son go free if he didn't go or one of his mates came along for a freeby even though not a member of the society,when it was raised at a meeting and the freeby should be a prize he spat his dummy out and called us all skinflints and he stormed out never to be seen again ( he joined another society were his mate played) the new organiser split the cost of the free place across the board a much better option.

I've been a member of my Society for about 10 years now and numbers run from 12 to 24 max - so only a small one.
As far as I know if numbers are above 12 then he doesn't have to pay.
And rightly so!!

Have you any idea of the hassle it is organising one of these. All the time taken to contact clubs to get the best deal, plus phone calls to members chasing them to find out if they are playing, to let clubs know numbers for catering etc. Sourcing and buying the trophies, sorting cards on the day, collecting them and checking handicaps.
Even if other members help the organiser with the above, it always falls on him as to whether the day is a success or not.

So, do I begrudge the Society Organiser a free round? Absolutely not. :thup:

 

[Grip it and rip it]

I've been a member of my Society for about 10 years now and numbers run from 12 to 24 max - so only a small one.
As far as I know if numbers are above 12 then he doesn't have to pay.
And rightly so!!

Have you any idea of the hassle it is organising one of these. All the time taken to contact clubs to get the best deal, plus phone calls to members chasing them to find out if they are playing, to let clubs know numbers for catering etc. Sourcing and buying the trophies, sorting cards on the day, collecting them and checking handicaps.
Even if other members help the organiser with the above, it always falls on him as to whether the day is a success or not.

So, do I begrudge the Society Organiser a free round? Absolutely not. :thup:

depending on which club your visiting and the package they offer, not always is there a free place for the organiser as i know from organising events.

do i begrudge an organiser a free place - no not really

people can big it up as much as they want but most event organising is more often than not no more than a couple of phone calls and half a dozen e-mails hardly worth the uptake on the fee that they have been charging