Giving yourself a cut when you don't know the CSS

[turkish]

Hypothetical question as our club have comp today which I probably won't get away from work in time anyway but....

If I were to play say 4 strokes under H/C how can you calculate the cut if you don't know CSS and it doesn't get updated on HDID on time for the medal tomorrow/next day?

How would you find out what to cut yourself by? I would assume you wouldn't be able to find out CSS until Handicap secretary calculates scores which I'm assuming isn't always done on same day of competition?

Do you just take what the SSS of the course is?

 

[Imurg]

You cut yourself according to SSS,....
Of course if you were always cut according to SSS then you'd know you were playing off the right number but that's another story...😙

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yes, cut yourself based on SSS in the interim.

 

[turkish]

You cut yourself according to SSS,....
Of course if you were always cut according to SSS then you'd know you were playing off the right number but that's another story...

I understand what you're saying but given the variables that can make a course harder/easier surely CSS is a better way?

Obviously not ideal on the scenario I've mentioned but it's probably not a regular thing.

That being said if you then give yourself the cut from SSS, go on to then win the comp but a day after that find out CSS made you 1 stroke worse off which made you lose should the win stand or be recalculated? Obviously you have done the cut in good faith

 

[williamalex1]

Give your pro or handicap convenor a call after the comp is finished, the computer usually shows the estimate CSS as each score is entered.
Best of luck kiddo :thup:

 

[DCB]

If the Club is running comps on two consecutive days, then they need to keep their own record up to date and close off the Friday comp before trying to sun the Saturday comp.

From the scenario you state, if it was me, I'd be checking before putting in my score or card on the Saturday comp to see what the Friday comp result was and any relevant handicap changes.

 

[chrisd]

I understand what you're saying but given the variables that can make a course harder/easier surely CSS is a better way?

Obviously not ideal on the scenario I've mentioned but it's probably not a regular thing.

That being said if you then give yourself the cut from SSS, go on to then win the comp but a day after that find out CSS made you 1 stroke worse off which made you lose should the win stand or be recalculated? Obviously you have done the cut in good faith

It isn't about winning or losing or your position on the leaderboard, if you shoot a good round and against the sss would get a cut then, if you're playing before the css is posted you must adjust your own handicap - if, after the result is posted you did it wrong because the css changes things, then you simply apply your new handicap (if changed) for subsequent rounds

 

[patricks148]

I would't get a head of yourself... you can't adjust your score up 0.1

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I think it's a case of go with the lowest handicap that's reasonable. The logic must be to use SSS in absence of CSS - assuming it's a stroke play event you are subsequently entering your handicap should adjust prior to start or if not prior to you putting your score into the computer. You can still update your card before submitting it.

Look at the alternatives: Don't adjust your handicap until the score is posted - not on. Adjust it by something others than SSS - you're guessing.

In reality the committee will have to close the original comp off before the next one as many of the playing handicaps could be wrong.

This is much more of a problem with away scores.

 

[Foxholer]

I understand what you're saying but given the variables that can make a course harder/easier surely CSS is a better way?

Obviously not ideal on the scenario I've mentioned but it's probably not a regular thing.

That being said if you then give yourself the cut from SSS, go on to then win the comp but a day after that find out CSS made you 1 stroke worse off which made you lose should the win stand or be recalculated? Obviously you have done the cut in good faith

No problem!

As long as you can demonstrate that you did what Congu states - using SSS (which may/not have meant a cut) because CSS (which did result in a cut) wasn't available.

It might pay to notify the organiser of the 2nd comp before you go out that that is what you have done, just in case.

And remember that you can't apply +0.1!

 

[rulefan]

If your club doesn't subscribe to HDID or MasterScoreboard, sign up to the EG Members Benefits Programme.
You can get your h'cap from there as soon as you club closes the comp.

http://www.englandgolf.org/members/

 

[KenL]

Not being able to apply a +0.1 could be a problem for me this weekend.
I am 5.4 currently playing a medal tomorrow. Then at Goswick open on Sunday.
Thankfully my club are quick at publishing scores so it should be posted by the time I am signing my card.
Hopefully, of course, I will get a cut or buffer as a minimum tomorrow

 

[patricks148]

If your club doesn't subscribe to HDID or MasterScoreboard, sign up to the EG Members Benefits Programme.
You can get your h'cap from there as soon as you club closes the comp.

http://www.englandgolf.org/members/

there is only one problem with that, he's in Glasgow so affiliated to SGU.

 

[williamalex1]

My club uses HDID.com , today we finished our comp at 3.30 pm the results were published on HDID.com at 9.30 pm. :whoo:.
Buffer for me

 

[rulefan]

there is only one problem with that, he's in Glasgow so affiliated to SGU.

Poor chap.

 

[Colin L]

Steady on.

 

[rulefan]

Steady on.

Well it could be worse. He could live further east.