General Play/ Supplementals

[sawtooth]

I have recently taken over Handicap Secretary duties at my new club. After a few weeks in I have seen that the club doesn't really have a policy on the above but we did at our old place. I am looking to implement a system inline with CONGU guidelines but also looking to canvass ideas, suggestions, best practices from the forum on how things work at your clubs.

Also thrown into the mix are recent changes that allow 9 hole scores and general play from AWAY courses.

One particular issue is tracking those that go out with the intention of carding a supplemental but never return the card, hence I would never know and they would never go up .1

We used to keep a book in the pro shop which was supposed to be recording names before they start their round.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Every supplementary card needs to have some sort of record that they are doing one before they go out

Twice a week I check the book and then make sure the card is there and enter the card

If they sign the book and don't enter the card I put it down as an NR

If a card comes in without being entered into the book then it doesn't get entered into the system

Got to be strict with it

 

[rulefan]

We require a formal entry to be made and recorded in the proshop and a small fee is charged.
Any 'supplementary' that is returned which isn't in the record is discarded and the member is informed.
Similarly, entries not resulting in a card are communicated to the member and the entry fee retained.
Members do not make computer entries themselves in order that the procedure can be verified.

 

[cliveb]

The previous secretary at my club would happily accept cards with good scores and cut people even if they hadn't first declared they were doing a supplemental. (Of course, what he wouldn't accept was a bad score to get 0.1 back). I think the rationale was that people are entitled to play off a lower handicap if they like, so if they wanted to be cut for the sake of their own ego, then why not? Is that against CONGU rules?

(NB. we have a new secretary now and AFAIK this doesn't still happen).

 

[rulefan]

I think the rationale was that people are entitled to play off a lower handicap if they like, so if they wanted to be cut for the sake of their own ego, then why not? Is that against CONGU rules?
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It is against the rules. The reasoning is that handicaps are competition related. Handicaps artificially reduced out of competition may well affect the CSS and therefore everyone else's handicap.

 

[duncan mackie]

The previous secretary at my club would happily accept cards with good scores and cut people even if they hadn't first declared they were doing a supplemental. (Of course, what he wouldn't accept was a bad score to get 0.1 back). I think the rationale was that people are entitled to play off a lower handicap if they like, so if they wanted to be cut for the sake of their own ego, then why not? Is that against CONGU rules?

(NB. we have a new secretary now and AFAIK this doesn't still happen).

Yes - there are issues that revolve around competition entry ballots etc but fundamentally he is undermining the handicap system (much as I understand his logic).

In response to Sawtooth - we operate as rulefan but without the small fee!

 

[cliveb]

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It is against the rules. The reasoning is that handicaps are competition related. Handicaps artificially reduced out of competition may well affect the CSS and therefore everyone else's handicap.

Ah, yes of course. Someone with an artificially low HCP will tend to make the CSS go up, so that other people could be cut when they shouldn't be. Or they might tip a comp over into reductions only when people should be going up 0.1. Have I got that right?

 

[sawtooth]

Ah, yes of course. Someone with an artificially low HCP will tend to make the CSS go up, so that other people could be cut when they shouldn't be. Or they might tip a comp over into reductions only when people should be going up 0.1. Have I got that right?

Also isn't there scope for low handicappers to work the system? Probably why there are heavy restrictions on Cat 1?

 

[sawtooth]

Every supplementary card needs to have some sort of record that they are doing one before they go out

Twice a week I check the book and then make sure the card is there and enter the card

If they sign the book and don't enter the card I put it down as an NR

If a card comes in without being entered into the book then it doesn't get entered into the system

Got to be strict with it

Thanks I thought it was a requirement and I definitely want to put a framework in place so we follow a correct and strict process.

I took this from the CONGU manual on supplemental scores (which I need to read fully). Quite a few changes for 2016-18 that I need to familiarise myself with.

21.6 A player intending to return a Supplementary Score is required to signify his intention
prior to commencement of play in the manner determined by the Affiliated Club.

There is no "manner" at the moment so will need to introduce something.

 

[rulefan]

Thanks I thought it was a requirement and I definitely want to put a framework in place so we follow a correct and strict process.

I took this from the CONGU manual on supplemental scores (which I need to read fully). Quite a few changes for 2016-18 that I need to familiarise myself with.

21.6 A player intending to return a Supplementary Score is required to signify his intention
prior to commencement of play in the manner determined by the Affiliated Club.

There is no "manner" at the moment so will need to introduce something.

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Don't wish to seem rude but why use the word 'supplemental' when CONGU has provided us with a more accurate word already ie supplementary?

 

[sawtooth]

oops sorry I've worked with barcodes for too long! I meant supplementary.

 

[Old Skier]

I have recently taken over Handicap Secretary duties at my new club. After a few weeks in I have seen that the club doesn't really have a policy on the above but we did at our old place. I am looking to implement a system inline with CONGU guidelines but also looking to canvass ideas, suggestions, best practices from the forum on how things work at your clubs.

Also thrown into the mix are recent changes that allow 9 hole scores and general play from AWAY courses.

One particular issue is tracking those that go out with the intention of carding a supplemental but never return the card, hence I would never know and they would never go up .1

We used to keep a book in the pro shop which was supposed to be recording names before they start their round.

All laid out quite clearly here http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=21376&itemtype=document

for supplementary cards so intent must be registered and all you need to do is have a policy were players show their intend and as others have said a sign in book is an easy option. We also charge a small fee bearing in mind that those who play in normal Q's generally pay to enter.

Im interested where you statement about GENERAL PLAY in AWAY clubs comes from. Do you mean official qualifiers played at other clubs which should be automatically sent to you if the AWAY club entered your player correctly and you SHOULD accept the scores.

 

[sawtooth]

All laid out quite clearly here http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=21376&itemtype=document

for supplementary cards so intent must be registered and all you need to do is have a policy were players show their intend and as others have said a sign in book is an easy option. We also charge a small fee bearing in mind that those who play in normal Q's generally pay to enter.

Im interested where you statement about GENERAL PLAY in AWAY clubs comes from. Do you mean official qualifiers played at other clubs which should be automatically sent to you if the AWAY club entered your player correctly and you SHOULD accept the scores.

No not qualifiers. I meant supplementary cards.

Wasn't it the case before that supplementary cards only applied to rounds played at the HOME course or was I dreaming that?

 

[rulefan]

Wasn't it the case before that supplementary cards only applied to rounds played at the HOME course?

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Supplementary Scores: Extensions introduced resulting in Supplementary Scores being:
o allowed in Scotland for handicaps of 2.5 and above;
o acceptable over nine holes for handicaps of Category 2 and above;
o allowed at all GB&I clubs of which the player is a Member;
o unlimited in number of scores per year for those players with a handicap between the
agreed maximum handicap (28 for men and 36 for women) and 54.

 

[sawtooth]

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Supplementary Scores: Extensions introduced resulting in Supplementary Scores being:
o allowed in Scotland for handicaps of 2.5 and above;
o acceptable over nine holes for handicaps of Category 2 and above;
o allowed at all GB&I clubs of which the player is a Member;
o unlimited in number of scores per year for those players with a handicap between the
agreed maximum handicap (28 for men and 36 for women) and 54.

please help to clarify.

Is this a recent change?

Also I presume that the AWAY club processes the card (supplementary) and that the score comes across in the sync up of handicap software as it would for AWAY qualifiers and open competitions that are also qualifiers?

I presume the HOME club has the opportunity to accept the adjustment or not.

 

[rulefan]

please help to clarify.

Is this a recent change?

Also I presume that the AWAY club processes the card (supplementary) and that the score comes across in the sync up of handicap software as it would for AWAY qualifiers and open competitions that are also qualifiers?

I presume the HOME club has the opportunity to accept the adjustment or not.

Yes in the 2016 update.

I don't know as haven't yet seen one in either direction.

 

[louise_a]

We have a book and if someone puts a supplementary card in then I check the signed the book, nothing to stop people signing the book afterwards though.

 

[rosecott]

We have a book and if someone puts a supplementary card in then I check the signed the book, nothing to stop people signing the book afterwards though.

Who controls the book?

 

[rulefan]

We have a book and if someone puts a supplementary card in then I check the signed the book, nothing to stop people signing the book afterwards though.

Open to abuse don't you think?

 

[sawtooth]

Hypothetical question, do golf clubs have to have a policy to process supplementary cards? Is it optional?

Are there clubs out there that don't offer this facility?