Full Handicap Or Three Quarter for Bounce Games

[Bomber69]

Whats your take, when playing a bounce match or a corporate golf day should it be full handicap or restricted to 3/4.

I have no problem playing off 3/4 or even scratch depending on handicap level but I do find that when playing corporate day's there are so many Guys playing off 20+ handicaps that it really spoils theses sort off days for the lower guys. Even guys playing off 12-15 struggle to score as there is always someone out there with a milkshake make your own handicap who comes in with a 40 plus pointer to take the spoils.

Is it right that grown men need more than a stroke a hole.


Discuss ...........:thup:

 

[fundy]

yawn, i think we all know your views by now, its getting pretty boring

ps discus is an olympic event

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Is it right that grown men need more than a stroke a hole.


Discuss ...........:thup:

I don't know about your club, but at mine the cat1 boys win over 30% of the comps, and are placed in close to 70%.
If you are having trouble competing with "chompers" playing of more than 18 have you ever wondered if perhaps its you that has the wrong hc and not them?
Just a thought. :thup:

 

[Andy808]

I take it your first handicap was single figures then?
It's always the low HC players that moan about playing off full HC.
When matchplay went from being 3/4 to full handicap the low handicappers started moaning about it being harder to beat a high handicapper. On a 3/4 handicap the low HC player won the majority of time but the study showed that after a full HC allowance was introduced the percentage of wins was closer to 50/50 but still slightly favoured the low handicapper.
The biggest thing that bugs me is why is it so important on bounce and society days anyway?
Surely your all there to play golf, enjoy each others company and have fun.
If not then why play in anything other than competitions?

 

[bluewolf]

To be fair to Bomber, I've stopped playing in any corporate golf days now as the number of 20+ handicappers who come in with 40+ points was getting a bit tedious. The problem with these things is that the prizes are generally good, and there's no requirement to show your H/C certificate.

So, in my opinion, in comps like the ones I am referring to, it's better to accept that it's a day out and to just enjoy it as there's very little chance of you winning if you play off your correct handicap...

Also, I'm bored as I haven't played for 4 weeks and there's no golf on the horizon for quite a while......

 

[Foxholer]

Whats your take, when playing a bounce match or a corporate golf day should it be full handicap or restricted to 3/4.

I have no problem playing off 3/4 or even scratch depending on handicap level but I do find that when playing corporate day's there are so many Guys playing off 20+ handicaps that it really spoils theses sort off days for the lower guys. Even guys playing off 12-15 struggle to score as there is always someone out there with a milkshake make your own handicap who comes in with a 40 plus pointer to take the spoils.

Is it right that grown men need more than a stroke a hole.


Discuss ...........:thup:

If individual scoring in bounce match, then full handicap. I don't particularly care if someones a bandit as there's nothing on it - except maybe the first round of afters. If a guy is an obvious bandit, I'll make it known though! I know one off 5 or 6 who should really be off about 2. 3/4 handicap doesn't make that up!

Corporate Days are rife with dodgy handicaps. I know a guy off 15 who plays 8 or 10 times a year and never scores less than 38 points! Those sort of guys deserve to be outed (and ousted) imo. And there seem to be many on the 'celebrity' circuit who are far worse (or better in this context) than Chris Evans who did so well at the Dunhill a couple of years ago.

And yes, some grown men need more than a shot a hole! They should have an equal chance of playing to their capability - which is the entire purpose of the handicap.

Whether Corporate prizes should be divided into Active/Inactive handicaps and/or Categories is up to the organisers. Corporate days tend to be PR/Promotional exercises, so the golf is normally secondary. From that point of view, I'm more in favour of 'Straightest Drive' rather than 'Longest Drive'.

 

[Hobbit]

Full handicap every time. If you don't like how corporate/society days are run, don't go on them - simples.

 

[tsped83]

Another soapbox statement against high handicappers from you? Heard it last time...

 

[Jack_bfc]

Its good to see HC snobbery is alive and well.

Ive just attained my first official HC at the age of 48.

Its 23 and when I play really well in a bounce game I can score 40 points.

But in comps I have never scored more than 35. Therfore HC hasnt been cut yet.

I played in a society team matchplay last week where the oposition had a 28 HC in every 2 ball.
All old boys who had been playing for ever as well. We lost heavily but ho hum if they want to win that way then its fine by me.

This week I,m playing in a stableford 'get together' off 3/4. Again I,m not bothered but you will still get the infantile 'bandit' calls if someone off a high HC has a good day and wins.

I can play better and I will get it down to the 'male' minimum of 18 ASAP before I get banished from the forum..:ears:

 

[patricks148]

In our roll ups we play scratch or if its better ball 3/4 if theres more than 20 of us.

I tend not to play too much in soc type outings as the last couple werea bit of a joke. I was the only player who admited to having a handicap when at least 3 others had them. Only to make a few excuses and everyone played off 28. which i thought was even harder on the couple of guys who had never played before and had to compete with guys off the same that prob played off 18. One of these guys shot gross 78 on a par 69 course for a net 50 took all the money and a nearest the pin. i checked his club website after and he had plaed off 17 the years before.

Thats the sort of this you come p against in these sort of things.

Off the whites full handicap, if you have one and 3/4 of the yellow imo.

 

[Robobum]

Surely the OP only plays with 'real golfers' anyway.

 

[One Planer]

If I'm having a knock with friends I'll quite often not count my score and just "play for fun".

We will however try and liven things up some weeks by having a matchplay or Texas Scramble format but I always prefer to play these off 3/4 handicap.

I always find I play a little better of 3/4 as opposed to full in these formats.

 

[Slab]

Leaving aside the Op’s view on the max male handicap the ¾ solution doesn’t work in preventing bandits

All that happens is that the bandit gets moved closer to their real handicap with the rest of the field playing of ¾

The bandit still has the same significant advantage it just reads like a more respectable score (end result is the low-handicapper & the real mid & high h/cappers all still lose to the bandit

So bandit wins with 36 pts instead of 40+ as everyone else near the top of the leader board will still only be scoring 30-33 pts....unless the low h/cappers actually fall into another category that of a mini-bandit with only a couple of shots over their ability that they can hide behind through the season i.e capable of 36 points even when playing off a couple of shots below their h/cap

 

[gryffindor]

I started a 'School dads' golf society a few years ago. We had quite a few play off 28. At the prizegiving I announced that first prize was a bottle of port AND the honour of organizing next year's event. The society is still going and 18 seems to be the maximum declared handicap now! (And a surprising number of people manage to blob the last two holes)

Also, if you are lucky enough to be invited on a corporate day - enjoy the golf, company, meals, drinks and all the other FREE stuff and count yourself lucky if you win a sleeve of balls. Club matches and Opens are for serious golf, not corporate days.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The handicap system is open to abuse on these type of days, and you will always get some sad individuals who will abuse it as their lives are so sad and so meaningless that they have to boost their frail egos by saying they are a higher handicap than they really are, just to win some meaningless golf society day. To be honest I just mostly pity them.

But speaking as a very inconsistent high handicapper, it does get a bit tedious when I very occasionally manage to shoot a half decent round and you get the bandit comments, mostly said in jest, but you can tell some actually mean it. There is a difference between an inconsistent high handicapper who shoots a half decent score on that day, and someone falsely putting in a higher handicap than they truly are with the intention of trying to win the prize.

 

[Jack_bfc]

I hate the word Bandit being muttered every single week.

A work coleague just told me about scoring 44 points at his local club this weekend and being labled a bandit, when he plays there every single week and they have managed his HC for 20+years.

Whats wrong with ............ 'Well Played'

 

[Foxholer]

I hate the word Bandit being muttered every single week.

A work coleague just told me about scoring 44 points at his local club this weekend and being labled a bandit, when he plays there every single week and they have managed his HC for 20+years.

Whats wrong with ............ 'Well Played'

When it's said with a smile, that's exactly what it means - and is normally accompanied with those words!

When the same guy scores 44 every week, it wouldn't be said with a smile!

 

[Slab]

Is it right that grown men need more than a stroke a hole.


Discuss ...........:thup:

Well taking the comment with the normal bucket of salt....unless there are plans to exclude players who can’t play to bogey golf (& their associated income) from the game of golf or revamp the handicap system altogether to max it at 18 then at the moment high handicap players exist not only as players but graded players, you'll have to deal with that as best you can

The huge majority of high handicappers are not bandits’ just poor players who love the game just as much if not more than low handicappers (after all we continue to play even though we aren’t very good at it )

If you ever get beat by a high handicapper who, when it matters, always seems to play to mid handicap ability then your problem is with a mid handicap golfer with the wrong handicap, not a high handicapper

 

[bladeplayer]

Whats your take, when playing a bounce match or a corporate golf day should it be full handicap or restricted to 3/4.

I have no problem playing off 3/4 or even scratch depending on handicap level but I do find that when playing corporate day's there are so many Guys playing off 20+ handicaps that it really spoils theses sort off days for the lower guys. Even guys playing off 12-15 struggle to score as there is always someone out there with a milkshake make your own handicap who comes in with a 40 plus pointer to take the spoils.

Is it right that grown men need more than a stroke a hole.


Discuss ...........:thup:

I know where your coming from on this Bomber , and if it was club comps you were talking about id decline from nibbling at the worm on your hook , for corporate , bounce (unless its a regular player you know is genuinely a weekend warrior) days it should be full official handicaps or maximum 18 for non official ones IMO ..

As per the more than 1 shot a hole question , if its an honest handicap then yes its 100% right,

 

[Hacker Khan]

The huge majority of high handicappers are not bandits’ just poor players who love the game just as much if not more than low handicappers (after all we continue to play even though we aren’t very good at it )

Testify brother. I played yesterday and I was utter garbage, my hook has now gone completely the opposite way and I now have a nasty slice. So in the space of 5 months my shots have lost about 20 yards per club and there is genuinely about a 100 yards difference from right to left on where a shot in January with a 3 wood would have finished and where a shot yesterday finished.

But still I will be playing next weekend