Four-ball better ball

[BobT]

Submitted a card for a four-ball better ball competition and wrongly put a 3 against player D instead of Player C. As all four players had a stroke and moving it to the correct player would not have changed score. Is it a DQ or can discretion be used and amend this as score remains the same

 

[Colin L]

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

 

[salfordlad]

4BBB is scoring for a side of 2 partners, it is irrelevant what the other 2 players score. And if you are advising that the only score submitted on the card for the hole was 3 for D and D did not have a 3 then the pair are DQ. If the game is stroke, they are DQ for the competition, if it is Stableford/Par/Maximum Score they are DQ only for the hole.

 

[D-S]

4BBB is scoring for a side of 2 partners, it is irrelevant what the other 2 players score. And if you are advising that the only score submitted on the card for the hole was 3 for D and D did not have a 3 then the pair are DQ. If the game is stroke, they are DQ for the competition, if it is Stableford/Par/Maximum Score they are DQ only for the hole.

Surely if D actually had a 2 for the hole, then the side would not be DQ but the score of 3 would be accepted.
Just to add rereading the OP if D did not score on the hole it would be a DQ as this was a too low a score by the player which was signed for.

 

[salfordlad]

Surely if D actually had a 2 for the hole, then the side would not be DQ but the score of 3 would be accepted.
Just to add rereading the OP if D did not score on the hole it would be a DQ as this was a too low a score by the player which was signed for.

I answered the OP, not something else. If D had actually had a 2 for the hole, the question, I'm sure, would have looked very different.

 

[rulie]

I think the OP may have wrongly used 4BBB, when the game was actually a four person scramble?

 

[salfordlad]

I think the OP may have wrongly used 4BBB, when the game was actually a four person scramble?

Only one number would be relevant if that was the case.

 

[nickjdavis]

I think the OP may have wrongly used 4BBB, when the game was actually a four person scramble?

more likely a 4 man team event where two scores counted.

 

[BobT]

No

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

In

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

No he had a 4

 

[BobT]

No

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

In

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

No he had a

@BobT
Both C and D had a stroke at this hole. C had a gross 3, his score was ascribed to his partner D. For this not to matter, D would have to have had a gross 3 as well. Is that what happened?

No, he had a 4

 

[D-S]

No

In

No he had a

No, he had a 4

So if I read this correctly, the scorecard had D down for a 3 but in reality he scored a 4.

You have signed for a score that is lower than actually attained therefore it is a DQ.

What other players scored on the hole and whether or not they had shots is irrelevant.

It is only what is on the scorecard and is signed for that counts.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Many years ago - in a time before time...played in a better ball bogey comp: on a hole both myself and my playing partner get fours of a par 4...I get a shot my PP doesn't. My four gets a win against the course.

Unfortunately our marker records my four under my PP and we don't spot it before signing and submitting our card. All that happened is that the score was accepted as the gross for us was correct but we were deemed to have 'halved' the hole against the course. We lost out on a top 3 and some ££ as a result. Lesson learned. I assume this remains the outcome today for what happened to us back then.

 

[salfordlad]

Many years ago - in a time before time...played in a better ball bogey comp: on a hole both myself and my playing partner get fours of a par 4...I get a shot my PP doesn't. My four gets a win against the course.

Unfortunately our marker records my four under my PP and we don't spot it before signing and submitting our card. All that happened is that the score was accepted as the gross for us was correct but we were deemed to have 'halved' the hole against the course. We lost out on a top 3 and some ££ as a result. Lesson learned. I assume this remains the outcome today for what happened to us back then.

Nothing has changed. You submitted a correct score, not the best correct score. There is nothing a Committee can/should do, then or now.

 

[Steven Rules]

Is it a DQ or can discretion be used and amend this as score remains the same

1.3c(2) expressly prohibits the Committee from using discretion to vary penalties.

Whether the net score is 'right' or not is irrelevant. The player and marker are responsible for entering the number of strokes taken on the hole. The Committee is responsible for calculating the handicap strokes. (Rule 3.3b)

In four-ball stroke play each score on the scorecard must be clearly identified as the score of the individual partner who made it; if this is not done, the side is disqualified. (Rule 23.2b(1))