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[Midnight]

To all football fans I would like to pick your brains.

Neil Lennon managed to do a very good job with Celtic, but has failed to do anything with Bolton.

Is this just down to the money and players that he had at Celtic or is the Championship just a very hard league?

I have only picked Lennon as he is one of the latest to go. I know there are other examples from other leagues.

Not interested in slagging any team or manager off, I support Forest and we are in turmoil at the moment so lots to slag off there.😢

 

[Grogger]

It's because the SPL is a terrible standard of football and Celtic dwarf the other teams financially giving them a bigger advantage.

Thought Lennon may have done a better job at Bolton but to be fair he's been fighting an uphill battle with the state the club is in. Although he did buy Heskey so maybe he's not all that good?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Bolton are in meltdown. He had to cut the wage bill, get rid of better players and was unable to replace them. In the meantime other teams are spending big or have built a team. Unfair to judge Lennon on this. He should not have chosen Bolton, it was a bad move.

The championship is a tough league but often you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I heard one former championship manager interviewed recently who was told by his chairman to cut the wage bill by a third in one season. He did that and prevented relegation but of course the fans thought he had failed. They didn't know the restrictions he was working to. Teams who drop from the PL get decimated if they don't bounce back up quickly, the wage bill is just too much to cope without sky money.

 

[pbrown7582]

Was a mamouth task at Bolton for anyone given the financial state.

 

[davidy233]

It's the difference between having a massive budget compared to any other club in the league and inheriting a bunch of rubbish at a club which is a whisker away from not existing anymore.

 

[Birchy]

People forget his budget wasn't bad at the start. He has brought in plenty players too, some utter garbage. A lot of clubs with less wages to play with too for signings etc.

The stories I've heard from reliable sources are pointing towards him losing the plot completely. When the pressure is on you need composure and to keep your head.

Some of his decisions the last 6-8 weeks have been baffling to say the least.

He got found out imo, when things got really tough he couldn't cope.

 

[sawtooth]

I could win the league with Celtic.

But in fairness to Lennon, Bolton don't have a pot to pee in so very difficult to come in and turn things around.

 

[Val]

Neil Lennon is a decent coach, he had Celtic in the last 16 of the CL with an average side and he had the famous win against Barca at Celtix park. He went toe to toe with some decent sides in the CL and done good despite having to constantly move players on for profit and recruit for buttons, players like Wanyama, Forster, Hooper and others all shone in the CL and made Celtic good profit. Few clubs could absorb that sort of change constantly which ultimately led to Lennon leaving Celtic. Celtic are now a selling club and will be for a long time.

I believe he did a decent job at Bolton where he took over from Freedman whilst bottom of the league and finished the season with Bolton 10 points above the drop. This season has just been mental, it would have any manager fail and plenty have at other clubs in similar circumstances.

I believe he's a decent manager and would show his worth at a stable club and I believe he'd do a decent job in the premiership.

 

[Midnight]

Some interesting replies there. As said only picked Lennon as latest one. I agree he did a very good job at Celtic and I don't expect like many things you go from beinga good coach to a bad one overnight.

Is it a case of sometimes it just does not work no matter what. Look at David Moyes for another example he went to Utd and had the money to spend but it didn't turn out well. Then you look at the Bournemouth manager, think he left there with a cracking rep, went to Burnley(I think) didn't work out then has worked wonders back at Bournemouth

 

[FairwayDodger]

Neil Lennon is a decent coach, he had Celtic in the last 16 of the CL with an average side and he had the famous win against Barca at Celtix park. He went toe to toe with some decent sides in the CL and done good despite having to constantly move players on for profit and recruit for buttons, players like Wanyama, Forster, Hooper and others all shone in the CL and made Celtic good profit. Few clubs could absorb that sort of change constantly which ultimately led to Lennon leaving Celtic. Celtic are now a selling club and will be for a long time.

I believe he did a decent job at Bolton where he took over from Freedman whilst bottom of the league and finished the season with Bolton 10 points above the drop. This season has just been mental, it would have any manager fail and plenty have at other clubs in similar circumstances.

I believe he's a decent manager and would show his worth at a stable club and I believe he'd do a decent job in the premiership.

I think this is a fair assessment.

 

[Tashyboy]

midnight, I cannot get my head around what is going off at forest at the moment. Having dougie freedman as a manager was never going to work. His situation at forest is similar to Lennons.
Thing is with Dougie he has never really done it anywhere and I never really saw what he was going to bring. The next appointment is vitally important. I have loads of pals who follow forest and are massively frustrated at the moment. Fingers crossed.

 

[Midnight]

midnight, I cannot get my head around what is going off at forest at the moment. Having dougie freedman as a manager was never going to work. His situation at forest is similar to Lennons.
Thing is with Dougie he has never really done it anywhere and I never really saw what he was going to bring. The next appointment is vitally important. I have loads of pals who follow forest and are massively frustrated at the moment. Fingers crossed.

I don't think any forest fans understand what is going on mate. Your right when you say the next appointment is really important, but who in there right mind would want to come to Forest with everything that has gone on ???

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Lots of good managers about but they never get a chance with clueless impatient deluded fans.

A section of Hearts fans starting to moan about our manager.
We are running the Dons close for second spot and miles clear in third place of the SPL.
Our first season back from relegation having come close to being non existent.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's because the SPL is a terrible standard of football and Celtic dwarf the other teams financially giving them a bigger advantage.

Thought Lennon may have done a better job at Bolton but to be fair he's been fighting an uphill battle with the state the club is in. Although he did buy Heskey so maybe he's not all that good?

Easy generalisation........perhaps you can explain how former SPL 'average' players seem to do quite well in the EPL when they are transferred.
Kyle Lafferty springs to mind:lol:

 

[Jensen]

Newcastle got relegated from premier league in 2009, and came straight back up the following year under Chris Hughton I think. If memory serves me right the squad wasnt strengthend, but he got them straight back.
The man in charge when they went down was none other than Alan Shearer

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Easy generalisation........perhaps you can explain how former SPL 'average' players seem to do quite well in the EPL when they are transferred.
Kyle Lafferty springs to mind:lol:

Eh?

What exactly has Kyle Lafferty achieved in the Premier League.

Gary Naismith has done reasonably well but, in the main, the only Scots to do much at that level in recent times have been the odd one or two who came down as kids e.g. Darren Fletcher.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Newcastle got relegated from premier league in 2009, and came straight back up the following year under Chris Hughton I think. If memory serves me right the squad wasnt strengthend, but he got them straight back.
The man in charge when they went down was none other than Alan Shearer

The key there was that they kept the team together. Had they not gone straight back up the team would have been broken up and you would have been scraping the barrel. Newcastle could easily then have followed the many teams in the Championship who get stuck. I'm not a huge fan of Shearer but you can't blame him for them going down. He made no impact at all, no bounce, but the rot was already there.

I think with managers it is the same as players. Sometimes a club suits you, the set up, the players etc. Everything is balanced and you perform well. Then you move and it just does not fit so well. Moyes is a great example. Still a good manager and will do a good job another time. A lot of Championship teams have high expectations but the budgets don't match those. Managers need to build a team in those situations over time but they are rarely given that time. Moyes took a number of up and down years before he made Everton consistent. In all likelihood a Championship chairman would have sacked him during a down season and so the cycle would have to start again.

In any division most teams at the top tend to be the ones who spend the most on transfers and wages. Not always but pretty much.

 

[Val]

Eh?

What exactly has Kyle Lafferty achieved in the Premier League.

Gary Naismith has done reasonably well but, in the main, the only Scots to do much at that level in recent times have been the odd one or two who came down as kids e.g. Darren Fletcher.

Hmmm, I hope you do mean Gary and have just forgotten about Stephen

Alan Hutton
Charlie Adam
Jelavic
Wanyama
Forster

All quickly off the top of my head have left Scotland for the Premiership and done well

 

[Grogger]

Easy generalisation........perhaps you can explain how former SPL 'average' players seem to do quite well in the EPL when they are transferred.
Kyle Lafferty springs to mind:lol:

Yeah cause he's ripping the premier league apart!!!

EDIT: You referred to them as average as well. Not me. I agree with you though.

 

[Jensen]

I'm not a huge fan of Shearer but you can't blame him for them going down. He made no impact at all, no bounce, but the rot was already there.
.

Granted they were pretty much doomed when he took over for the last 5 games. However in this brief spell he had no impact whatsoever, it was the same players and formation. He only achieved 1 victory and that was against Middlesbrough.
His copybook nonetheless still shows he was the manager in charge when they were relegated.