Fly versuss Roll ratio when chipping

[rapper]

I have just been on you tube to try and sort the flight of the ball to the roll, and I am utterly confused..
One guy says a 9 iron fly's 1 and rolls 3 another says fly's 1 and rolls 2 and so on with every club.
I've come across the rule 12 which as completely bamboozled me, can anybody tell me where to find the fly to roll ratio of each club when chipping please, I use Srixon AD 333 soft ball...my short game is crippling my game.....thanks

 

[Norrin Radd]

i would assume the roll out would depend on the speed of the green and also the slope .

 

[Three]

I have just been on you tube to try and sort the flight of the ball to the roll, and I am utterly confused..
One guy says a 9 iron fly's 1 and rolls 3 another says fly's 1 and rolls 2 and so on with every club.
I've come across the rule 12 which as completely bamboozled me, can anybody tell me where to find the fly to roll ratio of each club when chipping please, I use Srixon AD 333 soft ball...my short game is crippling my game.....thanks

There is no answer that is totally incorrect, there is no answer that is totally correct.

Every shot is different, there are so many variables, such as the lie of the ball, the firmness or otherwise of the green, the gradient, eg up or downhill, the speed of the green, how much spin the green takes (not much with an AD333), the trajectory of the shot etc etc etc.

It's about feel and creativity.

 

[Oddsocks]

I think I read in one of the recent mags.

7i carries 10 yards, would roll 20
Stock PW carries 10 wards, would roll 10
54/56 carries 10 yards, would roll 5

As a ratio this was a rule of thumb which from my short game a agree with or there about's. Obviously strike, how hot the face is and the lofts would all have some sort of impact to these numbers

 

[pokerjoke]

There is no answer that is totally incorrect, there is no answer that is totally correct.

Every shot is different, there are so many variables, such as the lie of the ball, the firmness or otherwise of the green, the gradient, eg up or downhill, the speed of the green, how much spin the green takes (not much with an AD333), the trajectory of the shot etc etc etc.

It's about feel and creativity.

Spot on answer imo so many variables.

The only real answer is to get down the course and see for yourself it will take 15 mins tops for all your irons.

You could also play the ball different to others on here and myself I chip off my back foot and deloft the club hence more roll to someone who would play off the middle of his stance and use some loft.

 

[SammmeBee]

Depends how hard you hit it!!!

 

[duncan mackie]

I both agree and disagree with Three.

For a given player with a half decent consistent approach to chipping, there should be a single underlying formulae (like the rule of 12) for any given course/greens.

Yes, this will only apply to a flat shot (and where grain is present it will only apply across grain) but it will apply.

When visiting a course I establish it by finding a flat area of the practice putting green and throw the ball (where chipping is not permitted) to find out the roll ratio - i know my underhand throw is the equivalent to me chipping with a 52) and from that I can factor in the various ratios.

If chipping is permitted I pace out a reasonable 50/50, place a handkerchief half way, and chip with various clubs until I find the one that lands around the handkerchief and rolls to the hole - normally 52 or 56. This is the most important one because it's easiest to estimate halfway, halfway and it is more frequently available to land a chip.

Obviously uphill downhill etc then have to be factored in in the same way as putting but then knowing exactly how far you carry a wedge is the same - other conditions have to be factored in. It's still better to know than not know.

 

[Region3]

Spot on answer imo so many variables.

The only real answer is to get down the course and see for yourself it will take 15 mins tops for all your irons.

You could also play the ball different to others on here and myself I chip off my back foot and deloft the club hence more roll to someone who would play off the middle of his stance and use some loft.

This ^^^

So much depends on your particular technique, as my PW might fly higher than your SW.

As PJ said, spend half an hour testing it out with all the clubs you're likely to chip with.

 

[ScienceBoy]

Pick a spot to land the ball on, land the ball there and let it run out to the hole.

With my 8iron i hit it like a putt so there is basically no flight (a yard maybe?) and the rest is roll.

The only way to know is to go practice, pick a landing spot, land all the clubs there and see how far they roll.

The important focus is the landing spot, not where it will finish.

 

[Simbo]

Lots of variables, fast greens etc.
But as a general give or take chip from no further than about 20 yards of the green my PW is about a 50/50 ratio.