First lesson using Tracmkan yesterday (slightly long-winded post)

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I had my first lesson with Scott Howarth using Trackman yesterday, I was very impressed with his teaching style & the instant feedback that I was getting using Trackman. My data is below (this is all after my warm up) unfortunately I was using range balls so the driver spin was a little higher than it would be with my normal ball & there were a few that seemed to fall out of the sky pretty quickly.

After I had warmed up he got me to hit a 10 shots or so with my 6 iron & said I wasn't hitting down enough on it. I was only at approx 1* to 2* down which was causing my shots to be a little floaty & lack penetration which is something I had noticed when I'd been playing over the last month or so. He gave me a couple of pointers, the first was to shift my weight accross & downwards into my left foot then to "feel" like I was casting the club from the top as I was getting a little stuck, this got the club much more in front of me & with a much more downward blow (averaging 4* down). The difference in ball flight & the sound off the face was noticeable, it was a much more penetrating ball flight that carried further with a little draw on it (most of the time). Obviously I need to keep on working at it to make it more natural but it did feel more natural towards the end of the lesson.

Later on he got me to hit some drivers with the same feeling although he changed my setup moving the ball forward, hips & handle pushed to the left slightly to give me more spine tilt which would encourage a more positive angle of attack. I was getting a bit tired by this stage and with the changes to my setup/longer shaft I did find this more difficult. My clubhead speed seemed slightly down on where I have been on previous driver fittings but Scott did say that after 20 shots you will notice a drop in clubhead speed due to fatigue (I had hit around 60 shots by this point including my warm up). I did see an improvement on the swings I got right which was positive, I just need to stick at it and practice hard over the next month or so.

For those who are still with me me data is attached

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Just noticed that you can't actually read the numbers :rolleyes: the file size is too big so I couldn't attach the original
 
My clubhead speed seemed slightly down on where I have been on previous driver fittings but Scott did say that after 20 shots you will notice a drop in clubhead speed due to fatigue (I had hit around 60 shots by this point including my warm up).

Thanks for the write-up. Sounds a good session.

The quote above seems worth considering for the 'how long should a fitting take' thread. Especially for those taking well over the hour...
 
That's pretty impressive consistent hitting with both 6I and Driver - that's going to put you in good places on the course

Shame your yardages are miles below forum standard - pretty poor effort tbh :D
 
I had my first trackman session this week as well, really good. Face to path was my issue as I was turning my hands over rather letting it happen naturally, club speeds are well down on yours but hopefully that will come up as I get more confident with new grip and swing. Good numbers though
 
That's pretty impressive consistent hitting with both 6I and Driver - that's going to put you in good places on the course

Shame your yardages are miles below forum standard - pretty poor effort tbh :D

Yeah I was really happy with the 6 iron. I think the driver will get better with a little more practice. The strange thing is my 6 iron clubhead speed is 1mph above the pga tour average yet my driver clubhead speed was 5mph lower. I need to get that up to keep up with my fellow forum members :p
 
Thanks for the write-up. Sounds a good session.

The quote above seems worth considering for the 'how long should a fitting take' thread. Especially for those taking well over the hour...

I know it surprised me a bit, I think the fact you're hitting so many shots in quite a short space of time can take it out of you.
 
I had my first trackman session this week as well, really good. Face to path was my issue as I was turning my hands over rather letting it happen naturally, club speeds are well down on yours but hopefully that will come up as I get more confident with new grip and swing. Good numbers though

Thanks. Yes it will just take you a bit of time like it does for anyone who's making swing changes, I think once you start trusting the feeling then the speed will come as the technique will be better
 
I love using the Trackman in lessons as a way of tracking progress. You can't fudge the data and in my opinion reinforces what moves work and hopefully the pro will bleed these into your game. Some impressive data from the OP especially with range balls.
 
this "feeling of casting" is something mark crossfield had coach locky doing!

have a look at this video. it should help you get that AOA up.

[video=youtube;JX5Z0_q-raA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5Z0_q-raA[/video]
 
this "feeling of casting" is something mark crossfield had coach locky doing!

have a look at this video. it should help you get that AOA up.

[video=youtube;JX5Z0_q-raA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5Z0_q-raA[/video]
Thanks for posting this, it's pretty much what he was getting me to do. Funny thing is I was still hitting down with the irons but I think that was more to do with setup and driving my weight down and left.
 
had some success with this myself but haven't been to the range at all to work on it. any time I have tried doing this and caught it well I could see the difference. I was even getting some run compared to my usual high spinning drives.
 
Great tool - instant feedback! and some impressive numbers!

Spin on the Driver still seems a little high, even with the D+. But a 'better' AoA should reduce that.

Make sure you don't take that feeling of casting too far - as you could end up actually casting!
 
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I would like to get the AoA up a few degrees with the driver so I'll be working hard on that.

Yep, best way a +AoA for sure, for every 1º down from level you'll be losing approx 7 yards distance plus every +1º you'll gain approx 5 yards (obviously the + gain ends where it becomes pretty much impossible to get the AoA up further, would say it's extremely hard to get above +5º AoA & still strike the ball well)

But truly speaking most of it's taken care of in the address position if you have a good swing motion already. The ball teed off the left heel, crucial to set up with a spine tilt away from target too & maintain that tilt through the strike.
An in to in path or slightly in to out path a naturally shallower approach angle anyways so easier to swing through 'up' rather than a fade out to in path which is naturally slightly steeper to the ball.

Rather than just abstractly thinking of just swinging 'up', good thing to think of is to picture the lowest point of you swing arc with the driver being some 2" to 3" before the club head reaches the ball & focus on swinging through that point, rather than just thinking of swinging upwards through the strike as by this time at the ball it's already to late to swing up & your low point will be at the ball or 1" before the ball at best.

Good for practice tee is too, as well as picturing in your minds eye that low point of the arc the 3" or so before the strike, picture/imagine a 'ghost ball' that's teed a inch higher than your actual ball which is also '2" in front of the real ball' swing with the intent of as well as striking your real ball continuing up through the 'imagined' second ball as well.

Another thing you can do is with the high tee you'd normally use in play, just tee it up the height you'd normally do, but put no ball on it.
Then you're to make your swing picturing the lowest point of your swing arc the 3" before the tee, and the intent is to brush the top of the tee with the bottom of your driver as you make your swing, takes a bit of practice to do this but great drill to get your AoA up along with the ghost ball drill too.

One other thing that has some bearing on it all is whether you hover the driver off the ground normally at address, or rest the club on the ground, either is fine. But whichever you do should influence where you have the ball width-wise in relation to the drivers face at address.

If you hover the driver you can address the ball in the middle of the face as that's where it will return to, given a good swing.

But if you address the ball in the same place & you rest the club on the ground at address normally (ie. middle width-wise as the hover position) you'll tend to hit the ball nearer the heel end of the face.

If you try this, club on ground addressed middle width-wise then simply raise the club to the height it'll be actually swinging through the ball on the shot you'll see the ball will be more or less be contacting the face off the heel not the center.

So if you do have the driver on the deck you'll need to address the ball nearer the toe of the face, then when you raise the club to the height it'll go through the strike it'll be off the middle of the face.

I say this because obviously you want to limit the spin rate of the ball off the driver to be able to get the optimum carry & overall distance. The single biggest thing that limits the spin rate is a centered hit.
Along with a say +3AoA your looking for a LA of at least 13º.
 
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