Exceptional Scoring Reduction (ESR)

[3offTheTee]

I am not talking about single reduction for ESR but whether there is any rule for 4BBB reduction (potential bandit).

Last week we had a 4BBB comp and was won with 45 points with a guy of 4(realise a reduction needs County agreement) and a guy off 20.They won £70 each.

Today we had an Open Comp and the same couple had 44 points, played in the worst conditions and won again. £100 each. Well played yet again and congratulations.

The 4 handicapper used was a Scottish Amateur Champion many years ago or something similar but the 20 handicapper came in today on 11 holes. Not sure how many he came in on last week. Accept he could have played first each time and the lower handicapper was putting for more points.

Great scoring but my question is whether there is anywhere that states the 20 handicapper should be reduced. We have not had any medal rounds yet this season, the first one being next week.

 

[duncan mackie]

you don't provide a whole lot of context - par v SSS being the important one, nature of course is also a factor in such formats.

as I've said many times, put up cash and make the format non-Q for handicap and, strangely, you are more likely to see such performances - can't understand it.....

the simple answer to the question asked is no; the long answer is that the handicap committee should be watching the performances of the 20, including playing habits and other non-Q performances. If there is a point at which the evidence is clear that the player/players handicaps do not accurately reflect their capabilities then action should be taken.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

the simple answer to the question asked is no; the long answer is that the handicap committee should be watching the performances of the 20, including playing habits and other non-Q performances. If there is a point at which the evidence is clear that the player/players handicaps do not accurately reflect their capabilities then action should be taken.

couldn't agree more. the club needs to be monitoring its players, especially if people are making a few quid each week!

 

[3offTheTee]

"you don't provide a whole lot of context - par v SSS being the important one, nature of course is also a factor in such formats."

Sorry,perhaps my ignorance, but it was a 4BBB and I do not understand what you mean regarding par and SSS. They played in the worst conditions, 2nd best 2 41's 38, 37 and I would say an average score would be 34/35 as there was plenty of wind and rain. Couple of my mates who play off 6/7 had 30 points!

Not sure how relevant this information is

 

[RobRob]

we had a chap off 21 playing in our winter league (who worked really hardd to give him his dues) who was shooting in the 70's regularly and the committee docked him 6 shots on general play (19.1 i think they called it)

 

[louise_a]

Our mixed 4BBB last weekend was won by 2 players both off 5 or 6 who scored 45 points.

 

[duncan mackie]

Sorry,perhaps my ignorance, but it was a 4BBB and I do not understand what you mean regarding par and SSS. They played in the worst conditions,

Not sure how relevant this information is

if the course has a par of 71 and an SSS of 68, for example, playing to handicap for a single would be represented by 39 points - par 68 and SSS 71 and it's 33 points.

that's why it's relevant

x points in the absence of that information is meaningless

 

[Hopey84]

Every 4bbb competition I have ever played in has been won with 44+ points and always 3/4 handicap as well.

As long as you score well on a different hole to your partner you don't have to shoot much better than handicap to get a good score going, both do well or bad on the same holes and still play near your handicap and the overall score will be much worse than if you knitted together well.

 

[3offTheTee]

if the course has a par of 71 and an SSS of 68, for example, playing to handicap for a single would be represented by 39 points - par 68 and SSS 71 and it's 33 points.

that's why it's relevant

x points in the absence of that information is meaningless

Duncan

I realise that for singles but was not aware of the guidelines for a 4BBB which of course accept your knowledge.When i said, "not sure how relevant the information is"it was for someone to give an opinion with The Comp being a 4BBB.

Our club is Par 71 SSS 71. I am struggling to understand what the SSS should be for a 4BBB

 

[duncan mackie]

Duncan

I realise that for singles but was not aware of the guidelines for a 4BBB which of course accept your knowledge.When i said, "not sure how relevant the information is"it was for someone to give an opinion with The Comp being a 4BBB.

Our club is Par 71 SSS 71. I am struggling to understand what the SSS should be for a 4BBB

whilst you would look to the underlying data, the second part of my question also has relevance to any attempt to rationalise a BB performance. if you have a shortish but tricky course you tend to see better BB performances relative to singles than you would with a long but open course.

this is however all context to the performance, whilst as others have indicated, it's not unusual to see 44/45 for BB (with par=SSS), scoring this in consecutive competitions, and winning each, is definitely a flag that things need looking at - but I wouldn't expect any action on them alone (and you certainly wouldn't get GU action on the cat 1).

 

[beggsy]

Me an my dad won a 4bbb open at flamborough head gc off 3/4 handicap me getting 14 my dad 17 an we won with 52 points

 

[davidg2010uk]

You can't start reducing people's handicaaps on the basis of 11 decent holes.