Apparently leaving the EU does not automatically mean also leaving the EEA and the Single Market. More work for Judges?
EU and EEA
- Thread starter delc
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No, more money for legal people. Kerching. That is all this is about :angry:
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Please can this thread be closed. We really don't need a new Brexit thread every time Delc watches the News.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Shouldn't you be happy that that might be the case?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - @HK has already posted a link to this on the Art50 thread
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
I wasn't the only one that thought this could be a good thing then?
jp5
Q-School Graduate
We've embarked on a colossal voyage of legal disentanglement. Of course there will be a lot of work to do!
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
Personally, I don't see what the problem is. As I have said before, in 1975 we voted to stay in the EEC ( which was a trading bloc at the time) by 60+%. I firmly believe that if we were voting for the same thing this time ( trade agreement) the percentage voting to remain would be much higher than in '75. It's not the trade deal or single market that people want to leave. It's everything else.
Of course it is highly unlikely the EU will want to allow the UK to leave and still remain in the single market, because a whole raft of EU countries will want the same, which is a perfect example of why the EEC should never have been allowed to morph into the EU.
Of course it is highly unlikely the EU will want to allow the UK to leave and still remain in the single market, because a whole raft of EU countries will want the same, which is a perfect example of why the EEC should never have been allowed to morph into the EU.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well it's a good job that there is loads of spare money about that we don't need spending on things like education, the NHS, the prison service, you know, things that would improve the lot of a vast number of the population and go some way to making the UK great again. As we can spend that on lawyers fees instead.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And so today we learn about Article 127 covering the EEA - it's as if we didn't know about this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/article-127-new-brexit-legal-challenge-single-market/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/article-127-new-brexit-legal-challenge-single-market/
ger147
Tour Winner
I don't think anyone did, UK or EU...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I suspect that someone in the EU did in fact know about this - and even if it had slipped their mind (really?) then maybe they just couldn't believe that the UK would be so mad as to decide to leave the single market.
In any case it would seem rather more important that the Leave camp understood what the meaning and implications of 'leaving' would be in respect of the EEA (it was talked about enough). And I think that MEPs - Daniel Hannan, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall come to mind - should perhaps have been aware. And were they doing their job they would have been informing the UK electorate prior to the vote. And now perhaps the views and words of Daniel Hannan about not having to leave the single market start to make sense in that maybe he did know about Art127 - and realised what it might mean...Maybe he should be asked directly - 'did you know about Article 127'
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
If everyone stopped trying to deny democracy, accepted the result and stopped using the Courts in vain attempts to get their way, we could get on with leaving and then actually spend our money where we want to and divert the cash we used to pay into the EU into the very areas you have highlighted.Well it's a good job that there is loads of spare money about that we don't need spending on things like education, the NHS, the prison service, you know, things that would improve the lot of a vast number of the population and go some way to making the UK great again. As we can spend that on lawyers fees instead.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
Just so we are clear. In your mind the remoaners knew everything and the brexiteers nothing? Did you know about it? Thought not.
I thought you would be leaping at a chance of remaining in the single market.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What us who voted to Remain needed to know about leaving is, I suggest, neither here nor there compared with what those voting to leave needed to know.
I suppose we Remainers could have pointed out even more strongly the practical problems in leaving - though I think these issues would all have been lumped into Project Fear and ignored by Leave.
Let's just face the truth of it - the Leave campaign was disingenuous, deceitful, and parsimonious with the facts that it presented to the electorate.
And it is becoming ever clearer why the Referendum Bill did not include the words 'must implement the outcome of the vote' Because even although Cameron thought he'd win, knowing how difficult leaving would be he left a get out in the Bill - just in case...
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ger147
Tour Winner
This is just my opinion but I genuinely believe no-one EU wise thought about EEA vs EU prior to the UK referendum the same as no-one in the UK government didnas they were all so convinced that Stay was going to win.
In addition, EU and EEA wise, the rules were made up as they went along. For example, the EEA only came into being to let a few countries become a part of the Single Market, and until 2007 it was not possible for an EU member to leave the EU after they had joined. That's when Article 50 was created.
So I genuinely believe no-one in a position of authority either in the UK or the EU knew the full picture of what the UK electorate voting Leave would mean.
On the other hand, only anecdotally based on my own experience, the people I know who voted to Leave were clear i.e. they want out of the whole thing, including the SM.
And George Osbourne spoke the truth when he said every household would be £4200 a year worse off...
As for disingenuous, I refer you to the irony in your last sentence...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And George Osbourne spoke the truth when he said every household would be £4200 a year worse off...
As for disingenuous, I refer you to the irony in your last sentence...
I keep being told that the voters are not stupid and fully understood what they were being told - ergo - they would easily and clearly have understood that Osborne was talking about a forecast - and a little bit of reading to understand the figure would have made everything clear...just as a little bit of reading made the £350m figure clear.
From April 18th 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-reality-check-uk-households-worse-off-brexit
Indeed the Leavers friend - aka the DM was very clear to it's readers over why they should ignore Osborne's figures.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Britain-billions-spend-public-services.html
So no risk of misunderstanding by the voters then as they were provided with plenty of clarity on the figures from both sides of the debate. Unless, that is, they weren't listening...or did listen but didn't understand.
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Spite and vitriol are not attributes to admire in a person. The more you post on this subject the more obsessed and paranoid you seem to become. Shame really.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
There is no spite nor any vitriol - I am not that sort of person. It seems to me that the actual facts about the practicalities associated with leaving are not too easily accommodated or accepted by the Complainers
