ESR cut me by 2.3 shots!

[dufferman]

Tee'd it up in the monthly medal Saturday at the ungodly hour of 7.12am. We tee'd off in almost darkness.

Played with a new PP from the club, nice bloke off 12. Had a good round, took a 7 (seven!) on our par 3 11th, but other than that played well. Shot 2 under my then 20 (19.8) handicap for a 90.

HDID emailed me not only telling me that I'd placed second in the medal, but my handicap had been dramatically reduced from 19.8 to 17.6. I'm now .2 away from a 17 handicapper!! Amazing!

I'm so pleased, I started the year at 22 so this cut is a perfect way to close off the season. With a few comps to go I doubt I'll have a run of form like I have in the last fews comps (1st, 2nd, 15th, 2nd) off 18, but I'm more interested in a good handicap than a run of good placements.

Anyway, my question. I assume that the 2.3 cut is due to ESR over the last few comps where I've shot 40pts, 36pts and 90. Is that right?

Or does a monthly medal reduce handicap differently in some way I'm not sure of?

At least I won't get called a bandit by my Dad anymore...

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Tee'd it up in the monthly medal Saturday at the ungodly hour of 7.12am. We tee'd off in almost darkness.

Played with a new PP from the club, nice bloke off 12. Had a good round, took a 7 (seven!) on our par 3 11th, but other than that played well. Shot 2 under my then 20 (19.8) handicap for a 90.

HDID emailed me not only telling me that I'd placed second in the medal, but my handicap had been dramatically reduced from 19.8 to 17.6. I'm now .2 away from a 17 handicapper!! Amazing!

I'm so pleased, I started the year at 22 so this cut is a perfect way to close off the season. With a few comps to go I doubt I'll have a run of form like I have in the last fews comps (1st, 2nd, 15th, 2nd) off 18, but I'm more interested in a good handicap than a run of good placements.

Anyway, my question. I assume that the 2.3 cut is due to ESR over the last few comps where I've shot 40pts, 36pts and 90. Is that right?

Or does a monthly medal reduce handicap differently in some way I'm not sure of?

At least I won't get called a bandit by my Dad anymore...

Well done mate!

I'm guessing you got a 1 shot ESR because you shot 40 stableford points at the weekend (which I think is your tally after factoring in the blob which is capped at 5 effectively for handicap purposes) and had also done so in the recent past. 40 points or more flag you for an ESR, if you then do it again within a specified number of rounds, the ESR is applied. The number of shots you are cut is dependent on how many shots under handicap you were on average across the two round.

So I think what you actually got was a 1.2 cut for being 4 stableford points over 36, and an ESR of 1 shot.

PS. You might be surprised what you can do off the new handicap - I had 45 points in a comp earlier this season and was cut 2.7 to 16.8, thought I might never get cut again and racked up 44 points a month later. Just go out and enjoy playing some good golf and don't think about handicap too much!

 

[Deleted member 15717]

If they've been done in a number of weeks, then yes...ESR will have applied. Congrats on the cut and know that you have the ability to play to it!

 

[Ads749r]

Nice one mate. Sounds like your playing really well keep at it. Did you have a handicap target for this year.

 

[dufferman]

Thank you all! I didn't have a handicap target - in 2013 I started the year at 28 with most rounds around the 105- 110 mark. I wanted to get low, but being a nomad golfer I didn't get an official handicap.

Then I joined a club in 2014 and got my first handicap at 22. And I've managed to slash it!

If someone had of said to me I'd have a 17.6 handicap near the end of 2014 I'd have laughed, especially at the course I've joined cos' it's a test.

Who knows, I might have another inspired week and get one final cut to 17 in the coming weeks. Then I may just retire.

 

[sawtooth]

Something sounds amiss to me. 36pts and 90 are on handicap so most likely you would not have had any cut (or perhaps a modest one depending on the CSS).

40 pts yes because that is 4 below (again depending on CSS), 4 x .3 = 1.2 , even if they added 1 for ESR that would make it 2.2 ?

But normally 1 single round of 40 pts would not trigger a ESR. 2 or perhaps 3 in succession then maybe.

Did you some more good rounds home or away?

 

[chrisd]

Not before flippin time Adam!!

Well done!

 

[Fish]

Well done Adam, playing with you at North Hants your were definitely not a 20 handicapper and I'm sure there will be more cuts to come as you settle more at your new club & course :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Doesn't seem right

ESR happen when you have two rounds over a certain period ( 6 months I believe ) where you have played 4 shots better than your HC - not sure though in regards CSS if it's 4 shots better than that

Also the ESR applied is in .5 incrementals ?

 

[bladeplayer]

Well done Adam you will be getting pages in the magazine next..............................:thup:

 

[vkurup]

well done adam... BTW, where did u join?

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Doesn't seem right

ESR happen when you have two rounds over a certain period ( 6 months I believe ) where you have played 4 shots better than your HC - not sure though in regards CSS if it's 4 shots better than that

Also the ESR applied is in .5 incrementals ?

See my post above.

2 rounds of 40 points or more within a certain number of rounds (not time period per se). Per Adam's post, he's had two scores of 40 points in his last three rounds. Therefore ESR applies and looking at the ESR table, that's a 1 shot reduction.

Adam has gone from 19.8 to 17.6, this is a 2.2 shot reduction. 1.2 for the 4 stableford poinnts better than handicap, 1 shot for the ESR.

So seems spot on to me.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Something sounds amiss to me. 36pts and 90 are on handicap so most likely you would not have had any cut (or perhaps a modest one depending on the CSS).

40 pts yes because that is 4 below (again depending on CSS), 4 x .3 = 1.2 , even if they added 1 for ESR that would make it 2.2 ?

But normally 1 single round of 40 pts would not trigger a ESR. 2 or perhaps 3 in succession then maybe.

Did you some more good rounds home or away?

He shot two below handicap, so minimum of 38 points. He also points out that he had a 7 on a par three, so likely to be capped at 5 for handicap purposes so takes him to 40 points. If there are other blobs, he might have got more than 40 points.

So two rounds of 40 points in the last three rounds triggers a 1 shot ESR to go with the 1.2 reduction for shooting 40 points = 2.2 reduction, i.e. 19.8 to 17.6.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Guess will need to know the Stableford adjustment of the 90 ?

 

[dufferman]

Something sounds amiss to me. 36pts and 90 are on handicap so most likely you would not have had any cut (or perhaps a modest one depending on the CSS).

40 pts yes because that is 4 below (again depending on CSS), 4 x .3 = 1.2 , even if they added 1 for ESR that would make it 2.2 ?

But normally 1 single round of 40 pts would not trigger a ESR. 2 or perhaps 3 in succession then maybe.

Did you some more good rounds home or away?

I shot 36 points in August Stableford, played off Blues so CSS 74, and won. Cut from 22 to 21.something.

I then shot 40 points in Sept Stableford, as far as I'm aware no CSS change, came 2nd. Cut from 21.something to 19.8

Then Oct Stableford shot 34 points, came 15th, not sure of CSS. No cut.

Finally Saturday, shot 90 in Medal (2 under h/c), CSS was 73. Cut from 19.8 to 17.6.

Well done Adam, playing with you at North Hants your were definitely not a 20 handicapper and I'm sure there will be more cuts to come as you settle more at your new club & course :thup:

I only got 22 points! I was playing like a donkey!

well done adam... BTW, where did u join?

I joined Merrist Wood in Guildford. Really like the course, plus benefits of playing other Crown Golf courses for free (although not at peak times). Got a good deal for a year too.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Guess will need to know the Stableford adjustment of the 90 ?

Yes, but it's at least 40 (based on the OP), and I would guess it's exactly that because that accords with the handicap cut.

EDIT: Now I'm slightly confused based on Adam's latest post. Was the 11th SI 1 or 2? That's the only way I can see that the calc works out correctly. If CSS was 73, and the 11th is not SI 1 or 2, then you should have been cut to 17.3.

 

[Fish]

I only got 22 points! I was playing like a donkey!

That may be so but the majority of your drives were very good, you just had some poor approach shots into and around the green, but the signs were there that you've got a much better game in you than what was fully on display that day, don't be too hard on yourself :thup:

 

[Fish]

Yes, but it's at least 40 (based on the OP), and I would guess it's exactly that because that accords with the handicap cut.

EDIT: Now I'm slightly confused based on Adam's latest post. Was the 11th SI 1 or 2? That's the only way I can see that the calc works out correctly.

and as you state, the par 3 blob (7) dependent on the stroke index would be reduced to a nett double bogey 5 or 6 so there's another shot or two!

 

[Canary_Yellow]

and as you state, the par 3 blob (7) dependent on the stroke index would be reduced to a nett double bogey 5 or 6 so there's another shot or two!

If nett double bogey is 6 then the calc is correct, if nett double bogey is 5, then he should've been cut by another 0.3. I'd be surprised if a par 3 is SI 1 or 2...

 

[matt71]

well done sir! What part of the game turned it around for you?