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Rumours on the news this morning that Rio is going to be ommited.
I know he hasnt played for England for nearly a year,but surely he
has to go.
When fit,and he has been for a while now,hes a cert imo.
Who else have we got.
JT sounds like hes in,then theres
Julian Lescott-did you see his blunder against QPR
Gary cahill has been playing well but got crocked lately
Phil jagleka,matt dawson,wasnt he in Titanic?Only kidding.
Who else is there?
As for the forwards.
Rooney out for two games.
Carroll in form,but did you see his reaction when he was fouled against Swansee
he would have been sent off in the Euros.
Crouch has to go,proven on the international stage,and a different option.
Defoe to me is a goalscorer.
Holt to me is no different to carroll.
Doesnt look good,your thoughts.
Im not expecting too much at the Euros,but sooner or later we have
to start producing at big tournaments.
 
I dont think we will get passed the group stage :(

We just dont have the quality available, yes we have a few individuals but nothing that fills me with confidence.

I do hope I am proven wrong and we have a great tournament.

I would rather ferdinand than Terry but one will lose out due to the Anton/Terry business. Up front is a toss up tbh, I would take Carroll, I know he has been hit and miss but coming off the bench or starting as a lone striker as long as he gets service he would do alright. Defoe I guess is one who knows where the goal is.

I would just like to see us be more attacking, go out and try and win every game instead of the usual showing too much respect for the opponents with a stupid overly defensive approach.
 
pokerjoke said:
Rumours on the news this morning that Rio is going to be ommited.
I know he hasnt played for England for nearly a year,but surely he
has to go.
When fit,and he has been for a while now,hes a cert imo.
Who else have we got.
JT sounds like hes in,then theres
Julian Lescott-did you see his blunder against QPR
Gary cahill has been playing well but got crocked lately
Phil jagleka,matt dawson,wasnt he in Titanic?Only kidding.
Who else is there?
As for the forwards.
Rooney out for two games.
Carroll in form,but did you see his reaction when he was fouled against Swansee
he would have been sent off in the Euros.
Crouch has to go,proven on the international stage,and a different option.
Defoe to me is a goalscorer.
Holt to me is no different to carroll.
Doesnt look good,your thoughts.
Im not expecting too much at the Euros,but sooner or later we have
to start producing at big tournaments.
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I'm really glad you aren't part of the coaching staff that picks the team, Tony! :D

Where to start?

Rio can go, but should not start. He's too old and painfully slow. A good leader (ish), but cannot hold up the Spanish or german attacks for 90 minutes.

JOLEON Lescott - ONE mistake against QPR does not make him a bad defender. I rated him at Everton and he has grown into a solid centre-back at Man City. Pair him with his old team mate Jags in the centre of defense and you have a decent partnership IMO.

If you think Holt is "just like Carroll" you don't watch a lot of Norwich games. For starters, Holt has work ethic. He's been a solid player wherever he goes and should be (finally) given his shot at England. What have we got to lose?

Rooney should definitely be taken, now he has hair, his form seems to be back. Shame he'll be out for a few games.

Crouch thrives on the big stage and so long as Woy doesn't employ the old Maclaren tactic of "punt it in the air and let crouch deal with it on his own up front", he can be a threat.

Defoe is just awful but might be the best of a bad bunch.

Lampard and Gerrard should probably stay at home, but if I had to pick one (at least one will be picked), my money would go on Gerrard. If he's healthy, he's a harder worker than fat frank (IMO) though he can be lazy at times as well.

Whoever Woy picks, he's got an uphill battle. I hope that he picks talented youth over "experience" and age and accepts that this tournament is a chance to see what works and what doesn't in a competitive environment and any results are a bonus. He's on board for the next 3 tournaments, so he has time (if the fans and media give it to him, which they won't).

There's plenty of youth at his disposable, that Kyle kid from Totters, Whiltshere (when he's not injured), Oxlaid-Chamberlain etc..
 
Aztecs27 said:
I'm really glad you aren't part of the coaching staff that picks the team, Tony! :D

Where to start?

Rio can go, but should not start. He's too old and painfully slow. A good leader (ish), but cannot hold up the Spanish or german attacks for 90 minutes.

JOLEON Lescott - ONE mistake against QPR does not make him a bad defender. I rated him at Everton and he has grown into a solid centre-back at Man City. Pair him with his old team mate Jags in the centre of defense and you have a decent partnership IMO.

If you think Holt is "just like Carroll" you don't watch a lot of Norwich games. For starters, Holt has work ethic. He's been a solid player wherever he goes and should be (finally) given his shot at England. What have we got to lose?

Rooney should definitely be taken, now he has hair, his form seems to be back. Shame he'll be out for a few games.

Crouch thrives on the big stage and so long as Woy doesn't employ the old Maclaren tactic of "punt it in the air and let crouch deal with it on his own up front", he can be a threat.

Defoe is just awful but might be the best of a bad bunch.

Lampard and Gerrard should probably stay at home, but if I had to pick one (at least one will be picked), my money would go on Gerrard. If he's healthy, he's a harder worker than fat frank (IMO) though he can be lazy at times as well.

Whoever Woy picks, he's got an uphill battle. I hope that he picks talented youth over "experience" and age and accepts that this tournament is a chance to see what works and what doesn't in a competitive environment and any results are a bonus. He's on board for the next 3 tournaments, so he has time (if the fans and media give it to him, which they won't).

There's plenty of youth at his disposable, that Kyle kid from Totters, Whiltshere (when he's not injured), Oxlaid-Chamberlain etc..
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Im glad your not an a advisery to Roy.
Kyle Walkers injured and is out.
No i dont watch a lot of Norwich games,but who does?
Work ethic doesnt win matches,goals do.
14 Goals is not great.
Lescott and Jagleka are you kidding.
Ferdinand and Terry,or Cahill and Terry would be much better.
As for slow theres no-one slower than JT.
Defoes a proven GS.
 
My guess is Woy will give the majority of the older hands a berth with the exception of Ferdinand as he simply hasn't got the time to start bringing through the next crop in time for the Finals. He's on a hiding to nothing in the summer and we won't get out of the group and he'll get slaughtered for it.

Once the Euros are out of the way I think you'll start to see a few changes and a lot of the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, etc will drop to the bench for games and slowly be filtered out of the squad in the same way Beckham was. I think the truth is we do have some real talent emerging but they need a chance to get in and develop and think Hodgson might just have the ability to bring them on a bit. The problem we have is that its a conveyor belt of qualifiers and its the World Cup starting soon and we have to win those games.

Unless we start using friendly matches properly and put a youngish side out but let the majority play for 80-90 minutes and not make wholesale changes after an hour how will they learn and develop
 
pokerjoke said:
Im glad your not an a advisery to Roy.
Kyle Walkers injured and is out.
No i dont watch a lot of Norwich games,but who does?
Work ethic doesnt win matches,goals do.
14 Goals is not great.
Lescott and Jagleka are you kidding.
Ferdinand and Terry,or Cahill and Terry would be much better.
As for slow theres no-one slower than JT.
Defoes a proven GS.
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I agree with Terry. He's as bad as Rio. I'd sooner take Lescott, Jags and Cahill.

Re: Grant Holt, I don't know the statistic but although he doesn't score a lot of goals, he assists in a lot more. And that's really not a good argument when comparing him to Carroll, he's hardly been a goal scoring machine this season, has he? And he's done precisely nothing with his chances in an England shirt. I'd rather take someone with the hunger and pride to play in the Three Lions who is going to work hard to give his team a chance.
 
As per the comment above re. Woy on a hiding to nothing is exactly why he needs to blood the youth in these championships, focusing on the 2014 WC qualification and build a team core for the finals in Brazil. Youthful they may be, but all have significant top level experience and should be able to cope now.
Ferdinand going ffs? He is less than half the player he once was. Carroll - donkey rides could well be an untapped market in the Ukraine. Rooney for one game is a waste of a plane ticket.
 
BeachGolfer said:
As per the comment above re. Woy on a hiding to nothing is exactly why he needs to blood the youth in these championships, focusing on the 2014 WC qualification and build a team core for the finals in Brazil. Youthful they may be, but all have significant top level experience and should be able to cope now.
Ferdinand going ffs? He is less than half the player he once was. Carroll - donkey rides could well be an untapped market in the Ukraine. Rooney for one game is a waste of a plane ticket.
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Thank you! He has nothing to lose. Take all the kids you can and get them proper experience. At least he'll be seen as trying something different to the last 3 england managers, and you never know, hungry youth may well do OK (worked out alright for the German's IIRC).
 
Seen an article on one of the papers the other day with possible england team .. the 4 forwards listed were
Rooney (2 game ban) Crouch , Wellbeck & Sturridge .. i was trying to think of alternates , realy just Defoe ..

As for centre halves , terry to go instead of ferdinand (not great choice but) play cahill with him ..

is this the weakest England squad to go to a finals in a long time ??

BeachGolfer may have a point , not winable (IMO) so give the fresh blood a chance & prepare for the WC , build a squad capable of winning the next EC
 
Big mistake if he takes John Terry - the king of chavs.

If Terry goes, the mood in the camp will be soured. Check out Paul Hayward in the Telegraph yesterday on this subject. He articulates this point very well indeed.

Personally, I don't care much about the England team any more. I don't mind if we fail. We are poor and in addition, I don't have much in common with the particular brand of Englishness that our footballers represent.
 
Unfortunately Hodgson was the FA's yes man of choice and such radical approaches will stand no chance. The poor guy couldn't pull together the ego's of Premiership club side - what chance does he have with national-sized ego's?

The closest Hodgson will get to Brazil in a bowl of nuts at Xmas.
 
I'd line up like this.

Hart - No other options

Johnson - Cahill - Lescott - Baines

Parker (if fit) & Gerrard

Johnson/Walcott Young/AOC

Sturridge Welbeck


Obviously the 4 wingers, of which i'd start with either of Johnson or Walcott down the right, and Young on the left can interchange and have a go down either side. Asking Gerrard and Parker to communicate and hold deeper as necessary. Let Sturridge and Welbeck have a run at players. It's a side that's dyanmics are easily changed, with Young being able to come inside and play in front of the 2 deeper-lying midfielders if a striker needs to be withdrawn for whatever reason.

Still not enough new blood has made itself available this season. Real shame Jacky Wilshere has been out all season, this could have been his tournament. You've got a hard-working and honest back four with that lot, players who have earnt the right to play there. Except perhaps Johnson, there's just not so much choice at Right back since Walker's injury.
 
I think he should go

Goalkeepers - Hart, Carson, Green
Defenders - Cole, Baines, Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Ferdinand, Johnson, Jones
Midfielders - Johnson, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Milner, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard
Forwards - Rooney, Holt, Defoe, Welbeck, Crouch

I think that gives us more than enough cover in a few areas, with Miner who can play all across the midfield, Jones can play anywhere in defence and in centre mid. Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain can play either wing or upfront.

Would have smalling ahead of rio if he wasnt injured but I think this is the way for this Euros.

Editted to add: Walker would be in but due to injury I have chosen Johnson.
 
I'd try

--------------- Hart-------------
- Johnson Terry Cahill Cole--
- -----------Parker--------------
----Gerrard------- Barry-------
- Sturridge------------ Young-
----------- Welbeck------------

With Rooney to return, Walcott and AOC to come off the bench to attack a tiring defense. Carroll can be thrown on to scare the bejesus out of anyone he wants.

The only thing is there is no speed in the midfield three, so they need to play tight, and leave the attacking to the front three with help from the fullbacks. I'd allow Gerrard the odd attack, as long as the other two hold their positions.

You never know, they might play a little bit of attractive football.

Oh, hang on. This is Hodgson. I won't hold my breath then.

:cool:
 
Sounds like Scholes is being taken lol

so thats Terry, Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard all going and Ferdinand left out for non footballing reasons - good to see we are looking to the future
 
jammag said:
I think he should go

Goalkeepers - Hart, Carson, Green
Defenders - Cole, Baines, Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Ferdinand, Johnson, Jones
Midfielders - Johnson, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Milner, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard
Forwards - Rooney, Holt, Defoe, Welbeck, Crouch
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Pretty much spot-on, but I wouldn't take Lescott, Ferdinand, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard or Crouch. IMO Lescott is not good enough and playing for Man City masks this. Ferdinand's body just couldn't cope with playing 2 - 3 games in a short space of time. Parker isn't good enough - passion, commitment and running around just doesn't cut it at international level. Gerrard, Lampard - haven't delivered in their prime let alone now (plus Lampard's legs will be shot after the amount of games he's had for Chelsea in the last couple of months). Crouch - great record against crap international teams; done nothing against class opposition - not good enough to start; not good enough to play as a target man against the best defences.
 
No one thinks we can win this, so why not give the young up and comers a chance.
I'd take:

GK - Hart, Foster (if he can be talked into it) Carson
DEF - Cole, Baines, Richards, Johnson, Cahill, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka
MID - Oxlaid Chamberlain, Walcott, Adam Johnson, Gerrard, Parker (if fit) Barry, Young, Cleverley
FOR - Rooney, Welbeck, Strurridge, Defoe.

A good mixture, with the experience of Gerrard and Parker controlling the middle of the park, and the raw pace of the likes of Young, Walcott, AOC, Sturridge giving us a decent front line
 
PieMan said:
Pretty much spot-on, but I wouldn't take Lescott, Ferdinand, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard or Crouch. IMO Lescott is not good enough and playing for Man City masks this. Ferdinand's body just couldn't cope with playing 2 - 3 games in a short space of time. Parker isn't good enough - passion, commitment and running around just doesn't cut it at international level. Gerrard, Lampard - haven't delivered in their prime let alone now (plus Lampard's legs will be shot after the amount of games he's had for Chelsea in the last couple of months). Crouch - great record against crap international teams; done nothing against class opposition - not good enough to start; not good enough to play as a target man against the best defences.
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With the quality of our defence Paul, we need a holding midfield player, and Parker is our best bet.

Rickie Lambert is a better player than Grant Holt in my opinion. Good in the air, strong and a great shot on him. He looked better in the Championship this season than Holt did last season. He also takes a good penalty.:whistle:
 
PieMan said:
Pretty much spot-on, but I wouldn't take Lescott, Ferdinand, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard or Crouch. IMO Lescott is not good enough and playing for Man City masks this. Ferdinand's body just couldn't cope with playing 2 - 3 games in a short space of time. Parker isn't good enough - passion, commitment and running around just doesn't cut it at international level. Gerrard, Lampard - haven't delivered in their prime let alone now (plus Lampard's legs will be shot after the amount of games he's had for Chelsea in the last couple of months). Crouch - great record against crap international teams; done nothing against class opposition - not good enough to start; not good enough to play as a target man against the best defences.
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Lol, so not so spot on then...

Ferdinand isn't going, so Terry will. Neither he nor Lescott is good enough, true, but we don't have centrebacks that are good enough tbh. We can only hope that good coaching and traing keeps them as tight as possible.

Parker is still the best we've got at holding that defensive midfield position. Nope he's not great, but again, if he plays to a tight system and doesn't go wandering off, he should have enough nouse to hold his own.

Gerrard can still pass a ball, and Lampard can be his backup if required.

Crouch won't go, it'll be Carroll. Which could either be a great success, a total failure, or he might end up not getting on the pitch at all.

:ears:
 
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