Driver vs Putter

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I don't get why people are hung up on distance.

400 yard hole. Driver off the tee into the trees at 200 yards followed by a chip out sideways means 200 yards to go after 2 shots.
Or 5 iron 150 yards down the fairway followed by another 150 yard 5 iron leaves 100 yards to go after 2 shots
OK, very simplistic but you get my drift.
who on this forum only hits a 5 iron 150 yards?

There is definitely something to be said for course management though
 

Blue in Munich

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I'm in the driving camp..
At my course you need to get as close to the greens as you can.
They are, generally, firm and quite undulating.
You need to be able to hit a high shot with buckets of spin to get the ball to stop.
If I'm hitting a 6 iron in then I might get enough grab...but with a 9 iron I'm going to get more like the stopping I need.
So I need to keep the ball, if not on the fairway, at least in play, even if its 1st or 2nd cut - some fairways are virtually impossible to stay on.
I've always been a 30/32 putts a round player - never kept proper stats for long but when I have thats been the number.
Not the best stat to keep but its all I've got.
I suspect my number of putts has gone up due to the difficulty of our greens. Probably 35/37
But my scoring has stayed around a similar number....because I'm driving better and keeping the ball in play.
They say it takes 3 or 4 years to get used to the greens at Ellesborough - well I'm playing enough that I've got the hang of them after less than 2 so I'm expecting scores to come down next season as long as the driving stays where it is.
Driving is key for me.
If I drive well I score well.
And there's another variable. You place more emphasis on driving because of your course layout. Others may view it differently because of their course layout. Somewhere with particularly large greens might lead you to believe that putting is more important.
 

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And there's another variable. You place more emphasis on driving because of your course layout. Others may view it differently because of their course layout. Somewhere with particularly large greens might lead you to believe that putting is more important.
Can't argue with that Big Guy.....
 

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Having said that Broadie in his very elegant statistical analysis of where shots were gained and lost including the types of shots demonstrated that taking groups as a whole, better golfers were more distinctly better in their driving than less good golfers than in their putting at all levels, whether the comparisons were made between professionals and amateurs, high handicappers and low handicappers or elite tour players compared with average tour players.
Broadies analysis was done with verified ShotLink data that was accurate to inches. I don’t think people shpuld automatically make the same conclusions from ShotScope data as it is not equivalently reliable.

It’d be nice if ShotScope made their data available for more scrutiny.
 

BiMGuy

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In 50 years playing golf I've never seen anyone lose a ball or put themselves in trouble off every tee.
God you’re tiring. I never said anyone would. I was making an equally ridiculous counter point to your statement about 3 putting every green.

You’ve clearly got nothing sensible to add to the debate, so why are you bothering?
 

Leftitshort

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God you’re tiring. I never said anyone would. I was making an equally ridiculous counter point to your statement about 3 putting every green.

You’ve clearly got nothing sensible to add to the debate, so why are you bothering?
It’s a ridiculous debate, therefore by definition every point made is nonsense.
It’s never a choice between the 2. They’re not even linked. You don’t have to sacrifice one for the other, so why ask the question.
 

Leftitshort

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To give myself a chance to score well at my track it is imperative to hit the fairway, to actually make the good score putting then becomes the key.
Yes to score well at my place, I have to hit it off the tee, then hit an iron into the green. Then I have to use my putter. That’s important too!!
Some times I have to use the shiny pointy uppy one to hit it out of bunkers or long grass. If I do this well….I score well. Well done me
 

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Broadies analysis was done with verified ShotLink data that was accurate to inches. I don’t think people shpuld automatically make the same conclusions from ShotScope data as it is not equivalently reliable.

It’d be nice if ShotScope made their data available for more scrutiny.
From reading his book Broadie actually did his original analysis before Shot link data was available, getting many amateurs to record their shots for him. Listening to him on podcasts he actually took several years to persuade the PGA to release the shotlink data to him that confirmed his findings for professionals.
He has distributed his own app for amateurs subsequently which has I believe confirmed his original findings.
 

CountLippe

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Another slant is to say, you can be a 5 handicapper and an average putter. No chance you can get to 5 handicap with average driving and good putting
 
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