Do I sell or do I not

[Black gold]

A work mate of mine has decided to take up the game, and wants to buy my irons off me.
I'm using tm tour burner, I've explained I don't think these would be the right irons for a beginner

We went to the range this morning and he couldn't hit them, but still convinced he wants them.
He's never swing a club before this morning he's all you would expect from a beginner.

Topping/ slicing/ and even missing the ball completely,

I've tried to get him to book a lesson and let a pro advise him on irons to buy,
But he's having none of it.

I do want to sell my irons but not if there not right for him and he isn't going to be able to use them

Maybe these irons would be ok for a beginner there standard in reg shaft

What do you guys think do I sell to him or not?

 

[keepersunion]

I have a different experience of the whole concept of beginners to better play irons etc. I was fitted for some, well in honesty, beast cavities when I first started out. And it didn't help my game one bit, it taught me that I could get away with coming over the top and still shoot 13 or 14 over. I've recently changed to players blades and now I'm pretty much forced to swing properly, which I am doing now. I'd personally sell them and get him to learn the hard way, and in doing so, he won't ingrain the bad habits one could get with using large cavity backed irons. It's just my opinion from experience!

 

[Hendo007]

I agree, if he wants them and you want to sell them then seems to be a match made in heaven...

 

[ScienceBoy]

In my mind there are two types of beginner golfers, those who are probably not going to practice and just want to play for fun. They need all the help they can get as they are probably looking for some forgiveness as they will not be working for a better swing. Those are the ones that these super GI and GI irons suit the most.

The other type of beginner is the one who is going to practice, enter comps and does not wish to pick up bad habits etc. Those are the ones who will benefit from avoiding GI and Super GI irons. Its not that they should not have them, its that they will probably outgrow them very quickly and the lack of feedback might slow their progression in the game.

I never fully understood the golf swing till I had a go with less forgiving clubs, suddenly they game became less about getting the ball in the air and more about plotting my way around a course.

 

[keepersunion]

In my mind there are two types of beginner golfers, those who are probably not going to practice and just want to play for fun. They need all the help they can get as they are probably looking for some forgiveness as they will not be working for a better swing. Those are the ones that these super GI and GI irons suit the most.

Super super agree!

 

[Neddy]

Using blades (or anything close to them), for a beginner, is difficult. GI clubs just make the game slightly (and i should emphasise slightly) easier for a novice. If you can't hit the ball semi properly it really doesn't matter what you use.

Why does there have to be a link between using GI clubs and not having a swing? I use cavity back irons, but any recent improvement i have made is because of the lessons i have had/practice i have put in. It's 90% about the swing whatever clubs you use.

Great for you keepers union if you could hack your way around to 85/86 as a beginner. Some of us aren't blessed with that kind of talent and need the little bit of help GI clubs/hybrids offer...

To answer the OP's question. If he wants to buy them let him. If it's a mistake he will find out soon enough and learn from it!

 

[ScienceBoy]

Using blades (or anything close to them), for a beginner, is difficult. GI clubs just make the game slightly (and i should emphasise slightly) easier for a novice. If you can't hit the ball semi properly it really doesn't matter what you use.

Giving blades to a beginner with some lessons leads to a steep learning curve, with time they will master then but sucess and good scores will not come easy! What they will get is LOTS of feedback on a bad shot!

Why does there have to be a link between using GI clubs and not having a swing?

Probably beacuse as soon as anyone has a repeatable swing they start to realise the lack of feedback on off centre hits, especially after they have had a go with more feel generating clubs. I noticed the difference massively between my old super GI irons and the MP-57s I have now.

One conclusion one could make from all of this is that beginner players should hit blades on the range and GI clubs on the course, learn by feel and feedback (ie how the body learns naturally) and then give them all the forgiveness out on the course where it matters!

 

[USER1999]

An awful lot of us on here were playing long before super gi stuff was invented. A lot, like me, learnt with blades, as pretty much that was all there was. Even the original ping eyes weren't that forgiving.
Your clubs are way more forgiving than anything made 30 years ago.

Sell them to your mate, he'll be fine.

 

[keepersunion]

In addition to what I said earlier, I remember picking up my new forged thin lined bla bla player irons and passing them to my old man, who's a good mid 20 handicapper. He could hit them completely fine, he turned round to me and asked me what all the fuss was about?! SPI irons are a new invention, and how I see it a great number played good golf without them, and i simply don't buy into some of the stuff the big companies say about these clubs! Just my opinion.

 

[RGDave]

Sell them to him! No doubt.

You can bet they're going to be far easier to use than the kind of iron some of us started with.

As for all the comments about SGI/GI clubs, there seems to be a lot of rubbish being spouted.

I've played with cavities, blades, combo sets, SGI clubs, tour models, ladies irons, all sorts. Using easy/hard clubs isn't going to have any effect on anyone's ability to learn or get better.

Our lowest player uses Nike ignite irons. His pairs partner uses Burner irons, not even tour burner.
Most of our keen practisers play with AP1s, as that's what our pro recommends, and if you can't afford, he'll sell you some Benross or Cleveland.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I find it amusing to see 'expert golfers' advising against beginners using blades.
For golfers older than 40 years old thats all we had, don't know how I managed to get to 1 handicap using them!

 

[ScienceBoy]

As for all the comments about SGI/GI clubs, there seems to be a lot of rubbish being spouted.

Its not rubbish... its my opinion

 

[RGDave]

Its not rubbish... its my opinion

Just testing to see if you're awake

If using your MPs has helped, that's great. I myself have been practising with a 695CB. (because it's got a leadbetter grip stuck on it!)

 

[DaveM]

Just had a look at them on golfbidder. Look like GI clubs to me. Don't see any problem with them.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I had a set of these. http://www.golfbidder.co.uk/product/452041/Taylor_Made_Burner_Tour.html These aren't as forgiving as say the TM Burners which I think would suit a complete novice better (or similar models) but these would do him in say six-twelve moths once he's gotten some lessons and progressed. Maybe sell them and let him play into them.

 

[Andy808]

Aren't there alot of tour pros using CB clubs now?
Pretty sure there was an article a month or so back in GM or TG that about 50% of the top 20 are using CB clubs or combi sets now.