Disqualification

[sawtooth]

For those handicap secs out there past and present, I would be interested to know how you would deal with these scenarios below:_

1. Player returns a medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that on 1 or more holes he has marked NR in as a score. ie 4,6,4,NR. 5,3,NR, etc etc

2. Player returns medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that he stopped play after 9 holes, marked on card "retired due to injury" Note, frst 9 holes have correct gross score in boxes for each hole but then no scores in for the back nine as he walked off.

3. Same as above but for Stableford comps

 

[delc]

For those handicap secs out there past and present, I would be interested to know how you would deal with these scenarios below:_

1. Player returns a medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that on 1 or more holes he has marked NR in as a score. ie 4,6,4,NR. 5,3,NR, etc etc

2. Player returns medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that he stopped play after 9 holes, marked on card "retired due to injury" Note, frst 9 holes have correct gross score in boxes for each hole but then no scores in for the back nine as he walked off.

3. Same as above but for Stableford comps

None of these are DQ offences, but a card with any NR's on it can't win a medal. In Stablefords it depends on how well he played the remaining holes.

 

[Fish]

None of these are DQ offences, but a card with any NR's on it can't win a medal. In Stablefords it depends on how well he played the remaining holes.

I think your wrong.

1/ is a form of disqualification in a medal and he goes up .1

2/ there's a rule number referring to retiring due to injury so I don't think you get a .1 in any format.

3/. the NR's are nett double bogies for handicap purposes and added to the other scoring holes and the total would determine the outcome.

 

[sawtooth]

None of these are DQ offences, but a card with any NR's on it can't win a medal. In Stablefords it depends on how well he played the remaining holes.

Is that right?

So DQ for wrong score or failing to hole out do not apply if NR is recorded?

Also when does leaving the course become a DQ for discontinuation of play?

 

[delc]

Is that right?

So DQ for wrong score or failing to hole out do not apply if NR is recorded?

Also when does leaving the course become a DQ for discontinuation of play?

You can always pick up your ball and record a NR on your card. In fact this is very common in Stablefords once a player can no longer score any points. For handicapping purposes a NR counts as a nett double bogey, so it is still possible to get cut on a card with one or more NRs on it if the rest of the hole scores are good. If not your handicap will go up 0.1. As to a walk off, I would only DQ a player if there was no good reason for it. Injury, illness or fear of lightning strikes are all acceptable reasons. Snapping a club over your knee and storming off the course in a fit of temper is not a good reason and may leave another player without a marker.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For those handicap secs out there past and present, I would be interested to know how you would deal with these scenarios below:_

1. Player returns a medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that on 1 or more holes he has marked NR in as a score. ie 4,6,4,NR. 5,3,NR, etc etc

2. Player returns medal scorecard filled out and signed normally except that he stopped play after 9 holes, marked on card "retired due to injury" Note, frst 9 holes have correct gross score in boxes for each hole but then no scores in for the back nine as he walked off.

3. Same as above but for Stableford comps

1. It's just a Non Return not a DQ - can still recieve a Stableford adjusted HC cut

2. If Retired injured then the card is removed from the Comp - no DQ no HC adjustments

3. Same as above

 

[backwoodsman]

1. It's just a Non Return not a DQ - can still recieve a Stableford adjusted

What about rule 3-2 ? Failure to hole out results in DQ (from comp in strokeplay but only from hole in stableford). Surely NR can only mean a player failed to hole out - else why have they no score to record? (But yes, l know card still counts for handicap adjustment).

 

[Fish]

What about rule 3-2 ? Failure to hole out results in DQ (from comp in strokeplay but only from hole in stableford). Surely NR can only mean a player failed to hole out - else why have they no score to record? (But yes, l know card still counts for handicap adjustment).

I knew I had seen this mentioned before by one of the rule gurus which is why I said that a NR in a medal is a form of DQ, like you say, a NR in a medal can only equate to not holing out unless otherwise declared so it's a DQ under 3-2.

 

[rulefan]

Re the handicap adjustment.

I would suggest the h'cap sec may not apply the 0.1 to the second case if the player was genuinely injured and not simply trying to build a handicap.

 

[Fish]

Re the handicap adjustment.

I would suggest the h'cap sec may not apply the 0.1 to the second case if the player was genuinely injured and not simply trying to build a handicap.

So it's not a hard & fast rule for the 2nd scenario, more a judgement call based on the legitimateness of the injury.

Also our cards are not removed from the Comp if a player retires injured, they will be displayed at the bottom of the results page showing that the player retired displaying any rule category that that comes under and then any adjustment to handicap if applicable.

 

[Colin L]

I think we need to distinguish between disqualification from a competition because of a breach of the Rules (such as failure to sign a card or failure to hoe out) and the validity of a score for handicapping purposes. Clause 17-1 of the CONGU Manual lists what kinds of scores must be recorded and these include disqualified scores in qualifying competitions.

There are lists in Appendix P (page 91) of what DQ "offences" result in a score being acceptable and those which would mean the score is not acceptable. They are comprehensive and too long to quote here, but amongst the acceptable DQs is failure to hole out and amongst the unacceptable is discontinuance of play (unless the reason is acceptable to the Committee).

 

[chrisd]

I retired injured in the last qualifier of the year a few seasons back, we noted it on the card but they still added a .1. We had an obnoxious Chair of Golf who was also the (much disliked) Captain and as the additional .1 saw my handicap go up a shot for the whole of the winter and the Chair of Golf insisted he was right to apply it, i went to England Golf to get a decision and they were quick to confirm that the card should be removed from the comp and that no handicap alteration should be applied

 

[duncan mackie]

I retired injured in the last qualifier of the year a few seasons back, we noted it on the card but they still added a .1. We had an obnoxious Chair of Golf who was also the (much disliked) Captain and as the additional .1 saw my handicap go up a shot for the whole of the winter and the Chair of Golf insisted he was right to apply it, i went to England Golf to get a decision and they were quick to confirm that the card should be removed from the comp and that no handicap alteration should be applied

Yes ....but (there's always one isn't there!)

The committee have responsibilities and, if you take things to extremes the principles become obvious.

Scr golfer, 5 over with 2 holes to play develops 'a wrist injury' and claims that he shouldn't be increased 0.1.

Golfer breaks his leg halfway down the second fairway, having blobbed the first hole in a stableford.

The problems come in the area between these, and the principle supports the golfer as long as they still have some chance to reach their buffer.