Defibrillator

[sawtooth]

Does your club have its own defib on site? If not why not?

Apparently only 30% of clubs in the country have one of these which is quite surprising really. At a cost of around £1000 I think its something that is quite affordable. I'm sure the members would contribute at our place for such a good cause and I may raise the subject at our next committee meeting.

My wife is all up on health and safety and she tells me that these machines are so easy to use nowadays and require no training whatsoever, some machines even talk to you telling you exactly what to do. Sounds like a no brainer to me.

 

[Lazkir]

Ours does, and was put to good use not long ago.

Priceless!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

on my last Scout first Aid course, we were able to train on one of the speaking type

Extremely easy to use,

 

[shewy]

Very easy to use, can't mess it up really all instructions there and won't let you shock if conditions not right. Every club should have one, but it's getting to the person quickly which will save them. Would you remember to call the club and tell them to bring the defibrillator? It's not something you forget in a long time.

 

[fundy]

Yep we purchased one a couple of years ago and has already proved worth its weight in gold

 

[hovis]

they are available through a heart charity for around £500. for this price i cant see why not. within 4 minutes is the golden time to get one to a heart in fibrillation. believe me when i say that the paramedic are not going to make that time

 

[sawtooth]

they are available through a heart charity for around £500. for this price i cant see why not. within 4 minutes is the golden time to get one to a heart in fibrillation. believe me when i say that the paramedic are not going to make that time

I did wonder even if the defib was at the clubhouse whether 4 mins is enough time to get to someone out on the course.

Is this a case of later is better than never to some extent?

 

[hovis]

I did wonder even if the defib was at the clubhouse whether 4 mins is enough time to get to someone out on the course.

Is this a case of later is better than never to some extent?

the numbers vary from different courses i have done but they say if you get a defib on someone within 4 minutes the chance of survival is 70%. for every minute that passes it dropps 10%. however, new information out recently said 15% for every minute lost. if someone is present giving CPR the survival rate only drops by 4% per minute. the problem is the brain starving of oxygen. cpr is also going to change soon as they've got research to show no breaths are needed for the first 4 minutes just crack on with chest compressions. at the moment we're still doing 30 to 1 though

 

[Break90]

Yep, there's one in the bar.

Not sure you'd get it to the furthest point of the course in 4 minutes though, with a buggy probably 7-8 minutes I'd say. On foot could take 15 mins.

 

[Qwerty]

I'm very surprised at that stat' of 30%, I always seem to see them in a prominent position at most clubs I visit.

I was under the impression that clubs were kind of morally obliged to get Defibrillators in place ASAP over recent years. 30% is poor! very poor.

 

[Tarkus1212]

Ours is on the external wall of the pro shop so easily accessible even when the clubhouse is closed. I think we should have at least one more out on the course somewhere. I assume that they need a BT line or will they work on a mobile signal?

 

[hovis]

Ours is on the external wall of the pro shop so easily accessible even when the clubhouse is closed. I think we should have at least one more out on the course somewhere. I assume that they need a BT line or will they work on a mobile signal?

no signal required mate. just a glorified electronic voice prompt

 

[stevek1969]

We've got one at ours and with an ageing membership there a great thing, yes there easy to use but you've still got to have a basic knowledge of CPR as the machine only checks the rhythm and delivers a shock if needed you still have to perform CPR

 

[Trojan615]

the numbers vary from different courses i have done but they say if you get a defib on someone within 4 minutes the chance of survival is 70%. for every minute that passes it dropps 10%. however, new information out recently said 15% for every minute lost. if someone is present giving CPR the survival rate only drops by 4% per minute. the problem is the brain starving of oxygen. cpr is also going to change soon as they've got research to show no breaths are needed for the first 4 minutes just crack on with chest compressions. at the moment we're still doing 30 to 1 though[/QUOTE

Oxygen levels enough for the first two mins.. straight to chest compressions now. I'm sure they only change things to make last years books obsolete.. like this years don't elevate a wound above the heart...

 

[chrisd]

We have one after a scare on the course

 

[hovis]

We've got one at ours and with an ageing membership there a great thing, yes there easy to use but you've still got to have a basic knowledge of CPR as the machine only checks the rhythm and delivers a shock if needed you still have to perform CPR

not really. a defibrillator shocks a heart that is in fibrillation into normal rhythm. if this has happened then the voice will say ''do not begin chest compressions" because the person has a normal heart beat again.
if it shocks and it hasn't worked then it will tell you to commence chest compressions

what I'm saying is even with no cpr it can still be used and is definitely better than nothing

 

[stevek1969]

not really. a defibrillator shocks a heart that is in fibrillation into normal rhythm. if this has happened then the voice will say ''do not begin chest compressions" because the person has a normal heart beat again.
if it shocks and it hasn't worked then it will tell you to commence chest compressions

what I'm saying is even with no cpr it can still be used and is definitely better than nothing

Absolutely it is better than nothing but a knowledge of CPR does help, as part of my First Aid training at work we get AED refresher every 6 months.

 

[DCB]

What people sometimes fail to realise is that an AED will not restart a stopped heart. That's when it is so important to get the CPR underway as soon as possible. An AED will not allow you to shock the casualty in this scenario, it's then down to those attending to get on with chest compressions and mouth to mouth to keep oxygenated blood flowing.

Emergency First aid training should ne on everyone's " to do list"

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Does your club have its own defib on site? If not why not?

Apparently only 30% of clubs in the country have one of these which is quite surprising really. At a cost of around £1000 I think its something that is quite affordable. I'm sure the members would contribute at our place for such a good cause and I may raise the subject at our next committee meeting.

My wife is all up on health and safety and she tells me that these machines are so easy to use nowadays and require no training whatsoever, some machines even talk to you telling you exactly what to do. Sounds like a no brainer to me.

We have one in the clubhouse.

 

[Tashyboy]

What people sometimes fail to realise is that an AED will not restart a stopped heart. That's when it is so important to get the CPR underway as soon as possible. An AED will not allow you to shock the casualty in this scenario, it's then down to those attending to get on with chest compressions and mouth to mouth to keep oxygenated blood flowing.

Emergency First aid training should ne on everyone's " to do list"

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If there is a defib at your course, someone/s knows how to use it. There will not be a defib there otherwise. Likewise these same people will have a basic knowledge of CPR. The problem may lie in said PPs not having a knowledge of CPR/first aid whilst waiting for a defib to arrive, from either the club or ambulance.
Here in lies another problem. A thread was started the other week about phones not being allowed on courses period, of course you would use one in instances like this.
My grief with this is that every year millions of pounds are raised each year through captains charities but the first £500 should go towards a defib. The R and A should insist clubs have one, it is after all 2017.
if most clubs put membership by one quid or fifty pence, for one year it would pay for one.
Our has been used and it saved a life.