Decent card and handicap query??

[Odvan]

Right, played a course I've never played before earlier, on mi tod. Don't have a handicap but I recently played Stand Golf Club in Whitefield twice and went round each time in 97 vs the 72 par (SSS 70). On each occasion I recorded 2 x 8's on par 4’s so took 4 shots off my round score. Therefore, based on my limited knowledge of handicapping (SSS, CSS or whatever!) I'm touting myself around the 21 mark.

With this I marked my card today, didn't once add up during the round and was delighted to see, after the 18th that I'd broken 90 for the first time shooting an 87 on the Par 69, meaning a net -3...? The SSS on yellows is 66 but I don't quite know what this means and if it affects any of my calculations.

Im also just trying to suss the Stableford scoring out and guess it'll become very simple once I've used this method a few times and I get my round to 40 points.

I've attached it below and would welcome your comments, gross on the left, nett and then points. Does all this seem right and even though its only one card would you say I'm pitching my handicap about right, shortish course or not?

Cheers

 

[Big D 88]

I have you coming back in , in 45 !

 

[Odvan]

So I did! Even better. Schoolboy error, I shall DQ myself!

 

[Twire]

So I did! Even better. Schoolboy error, I shall DQ myself!

Ahhh, you only get DQ'd for signing for a lower score..you had a higher one.

SSS is the standard scratch score, meaning that is what a scratch player should go round in. This and the CSS (Competition scratch score) is what handicap is based on. I'd look at your card and say you knocked it round in 86 the SSS is 66 so you played to 20

 

[pbrown7582]

Your -3/4 ( )to par but with SSS -3 from par you played to 1 under well done and congrats on breaking the 90 barrier. :thup:

 

[palindromicbob]

I have you coming back in , in 45 !

Based on your 97's with an SSS on 70 on a par 72 course I'd be thinking 23 would be your handicap not 21.

I also get you coming back in 45 which is a total 86. This balances better with the 40 points. Had you been nett -3 I'd have expected to see 39 points. If you were playing of the yellows with a 66 SSS then basically you need to shoot 39 points to be shooting handicap. Your 40 of 21 would give you a 0.4 cut. Would have been 42 points off the 23 handicap you should probably have calculated based on prior round with SSS of -2.

All in all a good days golf.

 

[DannyOT]

What course was this? Scorecard looks familiar.

 

[palindromicbob]

So I did! Even better. Schoolboy error, I shall DQ myself!

Ahhh, you only get DQ'd for signing for a lower score..you had a higher one.

Not only that but you didn't actually sign for an 87 either. In comp stroke play the committee is responsible for the addition. You are only responsible for ensuring the scores are correct at each hole. So even if you had submitted that card the mistake should be corrected by the committee

 

[Foxholer]

If that card was for handicap, I believe you'd be assigned 19 - 1 shot under your '21' with 40 points against 39 to match Handicap against SSS - and 1 more because of the Treble on 15.

Good scoring and between the 3 cards perhaps a little too 'consistent'?

Btw, There'd be no DQ. As long as you get the Gross scores correct - and a few other details - correct, then that's all th matters - even if lower. It's only if you enter a score lower than you actually scored that you get DQ-ed - at least for 'wrong score entered'.

 

[Odvan]

Thanks for the responses so far.

@Danny, it's Great Lever and Farnworth - Karlcole who posts on here is a member there.

@Foxholer, not sure what you mean about 'consistent?'. Stand is around an extra 800yrds longer than the one I played today and is definitely more challenging. I had an absolute horror show on Formby's Par 3 course on Monday, possibly +20 from 9!!! I've only been back playing about 3 months so expect those days too at the moment.

I take it then the SSS is kind of a global grading for the course which is then the balancing tool from one easier course to another more challenging course as per my two examples?

What I'm getting at is that if I were to join this club and get an official handicap (based on that card, for example) I wouldn't be getting a handicap that wasn't representative of other, difficult courses, as this is what the SSS is for?

Still learning...thanks again!

 

[palindromicbob]

Thanks for the responses so far.

@Danny, it's Great Lever and Farnworth - Karlcole who posts on here is a member there.

@Foxholer, not sure what you mean about 'consistent?'. Stand is around an extra 800yrds longer than the one I played today and is definitely more challenging. I had an absolute horror show on Formby's Par 3 course on Monday, possibly +20 from 9!!! I've only been back playing about 3 months so expect those days too at the moment.

I take it then the SSS is kind of a global grading for the course which is then the balancing tool from one easier course to another more challenging course as per my two examples?

What I'm getting at is that if I were to join this club and get an official handicap (based on that card, for example) I wouldn't be getting a handicap that wasn't representative of other, difficult courses, as this is what the SSS is for?

Still learning...thanks again!

Handicap is calculated using SSS not par. It's not an ideal system but in theory give a handicap that should travel between course of different difficulties. Say 2 par 72 courses. One with an SSS 68 and one with an SSS 74. The second course is the more challenging based on SSS. A 20 handicap golfer shooting 88 at the first and a 94 at the other has played to their handicap expectations on both courses despite a 6 shot difference in gross score.

 

[Odvan]

Thank you sire.

 

[Foxholer]

Indeed, SSS 'equates' different courses - and seems to do it pretty well. In competitions, there's an adjusted one calculated (CSS) to take into account the particular conditions of the day. Most clubs seem to have good 'pattern' that the CSS = SSS for most comps.

By 'consistent', I was meaning that you scored on all but 1 hole - and the other rounds only had a couple of bad holes. That seems pretty consistent, something that is not a typical trait of someone around 20 (there are often more blobs and 3/4 pointers) - though if you a 'returning' that could explain it. I'd pick there's potential to at least a couple of shots lower pretty soon.

 

[Odvan]

Cheers Foxholer

I queried it simply because of the question mark after - didn't read it how it was meant maybe.

I often get a par opportunity, today i had a few birdie putts too, just the usual inconsistencies being consistent! The most annoying was being on the SI 1 in GIR and three putting, needless points dropped but sums up many of us I guess. I did say on here when I joined that my aim this year would be to hit an 88 as I thought I could get there. I'm going to play the same course again to hopefully maintain the scoring pattern.

Onwards and upwards (or downwards, more to the point) hopefully!