Darren, Rory and Graeme´s nationality.

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What do you guys put when you have to state your nationality? My passport says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Therefore, an Ulsterman is not British. So, is he he Irish? I´ve been asked about this here in Spain. I am NOT interested in a political argument but would welcome replies from Norn Iron posters.
BTW Well done Darren. Couldn´t have happened to a nicer bloke.
 
Hmm, this is a very complicated and very personal issue.

I would say that an Ulsterman can be both British and Irish.

if we take the passport issue, Northern Irish people can apply for British or Irish passports - they can even hold both. It tends to be related to your political ideals which you apply for to - Catholics tend to relate to the Republic of Ireland & Dublin and hence have an Irish passport and would consider themselves Irish. Protestants tend to relate more with the Uk & London and therefore would apply for a british passport and would consider themselves British,

How Darren, Rory, or Graeme consider their own nationality is up to them. But I don't think any of them would be offended if you called them, British, Irish, Northern Irish or from Ulster.
 
The place is called Northern Ireland. Ulster is an Irish province which also includes three counties from the Republic of Ireland. Not everyone from NI, such as me, appreciates being called an Ulsterman, which has certain negative political associations.

On the technical question, people born in Northern Ireland can have either an Irish or British passport, according to their preference.

Although the UK is made up of Great Britain (England Scotland and Wales) and Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, in Governmental terms, 'British' means citizen of the UK.

As it happens, Darren has always acknowledged both versions of his nationality.
 
From NI but usually put British but you're right - should I put United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irish, of course this applies to most of the rest of you too, we could all just abbreviate that to 'Irish. :D
 
Ulster is a province made up from the six counties of NI and three from Ireland, I am a Northern Irishman, I was born in Holywood, County Down. Northern Ireland is part of the UK so I can call myself anything from an ulsterman, Irish, Northern Irish or being from the UK or British as requested on some flight booking systems and governmental docs. I have a passport showing "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
I could also get an Irish passport.
Similary anyone from say Blackpool can call them selves Lancastrian, English, British. More than one title is usable.
 
The place is called Northern Ireland. Ulster is an Irish province which also includes three counties from the Republic of Ireland. Not everyone from NI, such as me, appreciates being called an Ulsterman, which has certain negative political associations.
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Only if you let them, Ulster is 9 counties as you say so join me in the effort to rescue the word "Ulsterman" from its sectarian corruption. ;)
 
The place is called Northern Ireland. Ulster is an Irish province which also includes three counties from the Republic of Ireland. Not everyone from NI, such as me, appreciates being called an Ulsterman, which has certain negative political associations.
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Only if you let them, Ulster is 9 counties as you say so join me in the effort to rescue the word "Ulsterman" from its sectarian corruption. ;)
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Old habits die hard. Anyway, the point is usually to distinguish people from Northern Ireland from those from the Republic, so 'Ulster' if used accurately is unhelpful in that regard.
 
Not everyone from NI, such as me, appreciates being called an Ulsterman, which has certain negative political associations.
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or even just "certain Political associations"

but yeah anything is cool with me, personally northern irish is the term id used. but rarely am i asked!

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U can call me British, Irish, Norn Irish or Ulsterman. I don't really have a preference all i'm interested in is golf
oops almost forgot well done Darren.
 
U can call me British, Irish, Norn Irish or Ulsterman. I don't really have a preference all i'm interested in is golf
oops almost forgot well done Darren.
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+1 Except I've always found saying you are Irish instantly makes you more appealing to the ladies when overseas. Shame I don't have the deedaleedee accent it adds another level again!

Only thing I care about is seeing the right flag flying. Rory has the Northern Irish flag on his website. Didn't look impressed when a tricolour was fired at him at the US open.
 
Great Britain consists of England, Wales and Scotland, but not Northern Ireland

The United Kingdom is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

So if you're from Northern Ireland you are technically not British, but you are Irish.

You can be an Ulsterman/woman, but not a necessarily Northern Irish man or woman

The Republic of Ireland is neither British nor part of The UK, but is part of the British Isles.

Confused? You should be!
 
Thanks for the replies Gents. I always believed that Ulster and Northern Ireland were exactly the same. Now I know differently but I think my ignorance is excusable since the BBC and the British press use the terms interchangably. Also surprised to hear Northern Irish folk can choose which passport to carry.
 
Thanks for the replies Gents. I always believed that Ulster and Northern Ireland were exactly the same. Now I know differently but I think my ignorance is excusable since the BBC and the British press use the terms interchangably. Also surprised to hear Northern Irish folk can choose which passport to carry.
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I tend to find the BBC latch onto winners from Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland and put emphasis on the "British" aspect of them. Less so when it's an English sports person.
 
Born in Belfast, live just outside it. Carry an Irish Passport, but not really that fussed which label you give me.
Unfortunately this can be awkward for sports stars from Northern Ireland as they don't want to be labelled one way or the other.I remember Eddie Irvine wanted to have a shamrock flag flown on his behalf (instead of either Union flag or tricolour)if he podiumed in formula 1 events but the FIA wouldn't allow it.
 
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