CVs & Sackings: Advice?

[BrizoH71]

My brother was sacked from his last workplace, but is appealing the decision as he feels he was set-up by another staff member and was subject to a witch hunt by management.

He knows who he claims set him up, and reckons they were doing the same thing as he did; they've kept their job though, and my brother has been given the elbow. My brother hasn't cliped on said worker, unlike the other guy who basically chucked my brother under a bus to save his own hide.

While he is appealing, he doesn't want to go back there if successful and is looking for something else.

How does he explain the sacking on his CV that he was punted, and more importantly how whould he approach it at an interview when asked why he left? And a reference from his former employer, how would that play out? Would that indicate the sacking, and the reasons why?

 

[Val]

You don't have to say why you left anywhere on your CV.

As to questions at interview, tell the truth. As for references, thats a tough one, not everyone follows up on references but it's still a chance the previous employer will be asked.

What type of work does he do?

 

[DCB]

A wee visit to Citizens Advice might be in order. Know of someone who they helped in a similar situation and it was all resolved before it went to ACAS and a full tribunal. Company had to give an written statement saying that they had been at fault and no blame was laid at the persons feet. Took a while, but it was worth it in the end.

 

[Val]

A wee visit to Citizens Advice might be in order. Know of someone who they helped in a similar situation and it was all resolved before it went to ACAS and a full tribunal. Company had to give an written statement saying that they had been at fault and no blame was laid at the persons feet. Took a while, but it was worth it in the end.

Unfortunately it doesnt help when you're out of work and needing a job now but longer term your advice is bang on.

 

[BrizoH71]

You don't have to say why you left anywhere on your CV.

As to questions at interview, tell the truth. As for references, thats a tough one, not everyone follows up on references but it's still a chance the previous employer will be asked.

What type of work does he do?

He was a retail warehouseman, but I can't/won't go into the technicalities of what happened in case there were any jeopardy to his appeal case.

Suffice to say though, he feels pretty hard done by; but with a wife, mortgage and young family, he needs to get back on the horse pretty quickly.

 

[Val]

He was a retail warehouseman, but I can't/won't go into the technicalities of what happened in case there were any jeopardy to his appeal case.

Suffice to say though, he feels pretty hard done by; but with a wife, mortgage and young family, he needs to get back on the horse pretty quickly.

Understand Brian, I wouldnt expect you to either.

Unsure how much of that type of work is out there and part of the reason I asked was due to the need for references and chances are they may not be followed up as his job doesnt appear to be a specialised job (IT, engineering etc).

Best of luck, hope it works out.

 

[Hobbit]

If his employer is following the letter of the law they can only either say, "yes he worked for us, no he didn't work for us, or we refuse to give a reference." It is the 3rd option that a prospective employer would view very carefully.

With regard to an appeal, gut instinct by your brother will be dismissed as opinion and not fact. He needs facts. He needs to structure his appeal around the company procedures, including taking time to review the evidence. Going in for a 15 min chat about it will get him nowhere.

If the company have got it wrong, which is rare, he might either get his job back or be offered a compromise agreement. Whichever, he really should go into the appeal and subsequent negotiation with professional representation.

 

[BrizoH71]

If his employer is following the letter of the law they can only either say, "yes he worked for us, no he didn't work for us, or we refuse to give a reference." It is the 3rd option that a prospective employer would view very carefully.

With regard to an appeal, gut instinct by your brother will be dismissed as opinion and not fact. He needs facts. He needs to structure his appeal around the company procedures, including taking time to review the evidence. Going in for a 15 min chat about it will get him nowhere.

If the company have got it wrong, which is rare, he might either get his job back or be offered a compromise agreement. Whichever, he really should go into the appeal and subsequent negotiation with professional representation.

Thanks for that. Very helpful. :thup:

 

[user2010]

Is he in a Union? If he is, that would be my first port of call.

 

[BrizoH71]

Is he in a Union? If he is, that would be my first port of call.

Nope, not in a union.

 

[Three]

He knows who he claims set him up, and reckons they were doing the same thing as he did;

The way you've written that, it sounds like he was doing something he shouldn't have been.

I think you need to elaborate if you want more specific answers.

 

[BrizoH71]

The way you've written that, it sounds like he was doing something he shouldn't have been.

I think you need to elaborate if you want more specific answers.

The other guy in question was seemingly one of his trainers, so he was only doing the job the way he was shown. He was caught cutting a couple of corners to get the job done, which may or may not have been naughty enough to cost him his job; he's been not entirely forthcoming with the details himself so I can only go on what he told me.

He's not going back there regardless of whether he appeals or not, or if he is successful. He's more concerned about how to explain it to any prospective employer in the future.

 

[Norrin Radd]

dont take this the wrong way ,but ,isnt there always a but when someone opens with that line.
from what you have posted whatever it was that your bro was upto was obviously a sacking offence so why is he trying to appeal it.? you say his co worker was doing exactly the same so tell your bro to grow a pair and dobb him in as well ,im buggered if i would let someone keep the job for doing the same as me and not tell anyone ,especially as it was him that ,in your words ,threw him under the bus.

 

[BrizoH71]

dont take this the wrong way ,but ,isnt there always a but when someone opens with that line.
from what you have posted whatever it was that your bro was upto was obviously a sacking offence so why is he trying to appeal it.? you say his co worker was doing exactly the same so tell your bro to grow a pair and dobb him in as well ,im buggered if i would let someone keep the job for doing the same as me and not tell anyone ,especially as it was him that ,in your words ,threw him under the bus.

I have no idea why he's appealing, he's a law unto himself. He's one of these guys who is forever wronged and never deserves anything bad that happens to him.