cutting handicap general play

[bigslice]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

 

[FairwayDodger]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

I'd say not..... is this from experience?

 

[DCB]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

It shouldn't. handbook is quite specific in this nowadays.

 

[bigslice]

its my away club, on 56 members and as soon as someone say wins or comes into radar some want to cut them. I was under the impression that the computer would cut them if they came on the radar.

 

[garyinderry]

what is the point of a general play cut since the introduction of ESR ?


how does 3 under handicap rounds warrant a cut?

 

[bigslice]

im not sure if ESR is in Scotland yet

 

[garyinderry]

bit silly if its not. a great way to get peoples handicaps to a realistic level.

 

[bobmac]

im not sure if ESR is in Scotland yet

Give them a chance. They've only just got indoor toilets

 

[Val]

Give them a chance. They've only just got indoor toilets

And BBC 2

 

[HawkeyeMS]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

No, not under any circumstances

 

[StrangelyBrown]

Give them a chance. They've only just got indoor toilets

That's why the Scottish airline industry never really succeeded.

 

[DCB]

its my away club, on 56 members and as soon as someone say wins or comes into radar some want to cut them. I was under the impression that the computer would cut them if they came on the radar.

Good to see the 'old school' alive and kicking in sunny Scotland If the handicap convenor does anything like that, he's doing it in direct opposition to what the CONGU Handbook says he should do.The computer will do what's necessary. With scores like those detailed in the OP the player has not even played to handicap, he's buffered at best.

Until ESR does get adopted in Scotland, the handicap convenor needs to keep an eye on any players who do seem to hit a run of form, those scores however wouldn't trigger ESR and certainly don't constitute a run of form in my book

 

[Stuey01]

Failing to play to handicap 3 times in a row results in a cut? What?! Madness.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Give them a chance. They've only just got indoor toilets

Didn't spot any when I was there, them thistles can chafe terribly :thup:

 

[duncan mackie]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

always dangerous to comment on such situations without all the facts but it may be relevant that if a player records 4 Q scores in a year, with 100% within buffer, I believe the AR program will recomend a reduction of 1 shot (which should be implemented even in Scotland!)

the corollary is that such an action outside the AR would be entirely inappropriate ie the basis for the reduction will be handled within the system if it remains a valid premise at the time.

have to assume there's more to this...

 

[bigslice]

always dangerous to comment on such situations without all the facts but it may be relevant that if a player records 4 Q scores in a year, with 100% within buffer, I believe the AR program will recomend a reduction of 1 shot (which should be implemented even in Scotland!)

the corollary is that such an action outside the AR would be entirely inappropriate ie the basis for the reduction will be handled within the system if it remains a valid premise at the time.

have to assume there's more to this...

lets say the player is a 24 handicapper who in the last 5 comps has went +2 +1 +3 +1 -5 in relation to net diff. he has went from 24.1 to 22.1 in these weeks. well cu 2.0 because of the -5

 

[duncan mackie]

lets say the player is a 24 handicapper who in the last 5 comps has went +2 +1 +3 +1 -5 in relation to net diff. he has went from 24.1 to 22.1 in these weeks. well cu 2.0 because of the -5

need the previous 5 scores and timeperiods involved to be definitive but if there was a -4 or better in those scores then I would certainly see an additional 1 shot reduction (as ESR would recommend).

lets be clear about the ESR; it's a formulae derived to assist Handicap committees to make appropriate, consistent, 'general play adjustments'. As such any general play adjustment made by a handicap committee that is consistent with the ESR matrix is inherently appropriate. The SGU's beef about the ESR was the quantum ("-4 isn't that special") but if you intersperse the sort of scores you have indicate here I would suggest that even -3 in front of the +2 above would have me pencilling an agenda issue for the next HC committee meeting!

 

[CMAC]

if a player has shot say three weeks in the buffer +1 +2 +1, could that warrant a cut from the committee

doesnt that mean he/she is playing to his h/cap? don't see any reason why you would get cut for that

 

[bigslice]

need the previous 5 scores and timeperiods involved to be definitive but if there was a -4 or better in those scores then I would certainly see an additional 1 shot reduction (as ESR would recommend).

lets be clear about the ESR; it's a formulae derived to assist Handicap committees to make appropriate, consistent, 'general play adjustments'. As such any general play adjustment made by a handicap committee that is consistent with the ESR matrix is inherently appropriate. The SGU's beef about the ESR was the quantum ("-4 isn't that special") but if you intersperse the sort of scores you have indicate here I would suggest that even -3 in front of the +2 above would have me pencilling an agenda issue for the next HC committee meeting!

I don't have last seasons to hand, but his persons scores are on the radar for next week.
what about 8.4 handicapper -1 -5 net diff now 7.4

 

[duncan mackie]

I don't have last seasons to hand, but his persons scores are on the radar for next week.
what about 8.4 handicapper -1 -5 net diff now 7.4

you wouldn't do anything on that data alone; and there will be data of all sorts available.

anyone whose unhappy is entitled to appeal to the area union, so that's what they should do if they are unhappy - the local union are only interested in the consistent application of the system, which is in everyone's interests.