Cuts - and could I have expected one?

[backwoodsman]

At the weekend I had a reasonably ok round - but due to four bad holes ended up with a nett 5 over par. But if I adjusted the four bad holes back down to a double bogey, then I'd shed 6 shots, and I'm thinking it would have been 1 under for handicap purposes. Add to that the fact that SSS is 70 compared to par of 69, and that CSS was 71.

So should (or could) I have expected a cut? I think my maths suggest it as a possibilty but it seems a bit ambitious to expect it when 5 over?

 

[Hendo007]

At the weekend I had a reasonably ok round - but due to four bad holes ended up with a nett 5 over par. But if I adjusted the four bad holes back down to a double bogey, then I'd shed 6 shots, and I'm thinking it would have been 1 under for handicap purposes. Add to that the fact that SSS is 70 compared to par of 69, and that CSS was 71.

So should (or could) I have expected a cut? I think my maths suggest it as a possibilty but it seems a bit ambitious to expect it when 5 over?

When you say you rounded your holes down to a double bogey, was that a nett double bogey ?

 

[backwoodsman]

Yes - down to nett double. I had three 8's and a 7 but one of the 8s was on a par 5. I make that 6 shots to "drop".

 

[drs1878]

Not sure how I works.....

I shot 35 points last week so stayed within buffer .... Failed to score on 3 holes by a shot and they never adjusted them, so I doubt it!!

 

[louise_a]

An 8 on a par 5 is already a net double bogey if you get a stroke on that hole, ditto a 7 on a par 4. So you would only get adjusted one stroke for each of the eights on the par 4s. So that is only 2 shots to take off.

 

[Foxholer]

If you know what CSS was, I wonder why you haven't seen your score and possible cut. You should get a cut - even if CSS went down to 1 under SSS (the lowest it can go). From your numbers, you appear to be 3 under CSS, though I'm slightly dubious about you your adjustments.

 

[Hendo007]

Whats your H/C ?

 

[Five&One]

Yes - down to nett double. I had three 8's and a 7 but one of the 8s was on a par 5. I make that 6 shots to "drop".

Someone will no doubt or correct me if I am wrong but essentially you round down to the lowest pointless stableford score.

So if you took an 8 on a Par 5 and you had a stroke at the hole, your net score would be 7. A nett DB so you can't round anything away.

If you had two strokes at the hole, your net score would be 6. Which would score a point, so again you wouldn't round anything away and it would count as an 8 for handicap.

If you score 7 at a par 4 and had a stroke, that's a net DB and you cant round away anything either. However if you had scored an 8 and had a stroke you can round away 1 shot

I haven't explained this very well but the SI of the holes you blew might be an important factor, I THINK.

I suspect you will find you made the buffer but no cut is due..

 

[tyke]

An 8 on a par 5 is already a net double bogey if you get a stroke on that hole, ditto a 7 on a par 4. So you would only get adjusted one stroke for each of the eights on the par 4s. So that is only 2 shots to take off.

This is the correct answer presuming you get a shot on each of the holes.

 

[backwoodsman]

I think I'm starting to see my mistake - I think I've not rounded down to nett double. Eg as Louise says, an 8 on a par 5 with a shot is nett double. Likewise the 7 on a par 4 with a shot is also already nett double. The other two 8s - with a shot apiece - only "lose" one shot. Hence my drop 6 becomes drop 2 - which with all the other stuff comes out at an adjusted 1 over when CSS is taken into account. I just knew it was optimistic

 

[tyke]

I think I'm starting to see my mistake - I think I've not rounded down to nett double. Eg as Louise says, an 8 on a par 5 with a shot is nett double. Likewise the 7 on a par 4 with a shot is also already nett double. The other two 8s - with a shot apiece - only "lose" one shot. Hence my drop 6 becomes drop 2 - which with all the other stuff comes out at an adjusted 1 over when CSS is taken into account. I just knew it was optimistic

That's right mate

 

[palindromicbob]

Easiest way I find to think about it is to start by working out your stableford score. Then adjust for css. Eg if css is 1 under par then you need 37 to have shot your handicap. 1 over then you need 35 etc etc. So any score above the required css stableford should equal a cut. Ignore sss.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my thinking is off.

 

[Ian_S]

Easiest way I find to think about it is to start by working out your stableford score. Then adjust for css. Eg if css is 1 under par then you need 37 to have shot your handicap. 1 over then you need 35 etc etc. So any score above the required css stableford should equal a cut. Ignore sss.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my thinking is off.

No correction needed. That's exactly what I was going to say. Talk of gross/net double bogey seems to throw people off, but when you talk stableford points its much easier.

The equation is

Shot differential = Pts scored - 36 + CSS - Par

My course is SSS 71 Par 72, so if CSS = SSS and I score 39 points, I get 39 - 36 + 71 - 72 = 2 shots.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Not sure how I works.....

I shot 35 points last week so stayed within buffer .... Failed to score on 3 holes by a shot and they never adjusted them, so I doubt it!!

As you have probably realised from the above posts, the stableford points score already factors in the rounding. A blob is a blob is a blob. No additional rounding required.

 

[pbrown7582]

Easiest way I find to think about it is to start by working out your stableford score. Then adjust for css. Eg if css is 1 under par then you need 37 to have shot your handicap. 1 over then you need 35 etc etc. So any score above the required css stableford should equal a cut. Ignore sss.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my thinking is off.

This ^^^^^. :thup:

Is the easiest way stops the confusion over rounding, the computer just works out your stableford points and adjusts h/cap accordingly.

 

[need_my_wedge]

Talk of gross/net double bogey seems to throw people off, but when you talk stableford points its much easier.

The equation is

Shot differential = Pts scored - 36 + CSS - Par

My course is SSS 71 Par 72, so if CSS = SSS and I score 39 points, I get 39 - 36 + 71 - 72 = 2 shots.

I was reading this thread with interest as I played in the medal on Saturday and shot net par, and got cut 0.3. I still don't understand the calculations required, but using the above, I should have been cut 0.6...... I think?

Course SSS 69 Par 71 CSS 72 I scored 37 points using stableford calculations. Using the equation above:

37 - 36 + 72 - 71 = 2 shots......

Have I got that wrong?

 

[MashieNiblick]

I was reading this thread with interest as I played in the medal on Saturday and shot net par, and got cut 0.3. I still don't understand the calculations required, but using the above, I should have been cut 0.6...... I think?

Course SSS 69 Par 71 CSS 72 I scored 37 points using stableford calculations. Using the equation above:

37 - 36 + 72 - 71 = 2 shots......

Have I got that wrong?

Possibly. Stableford points are worked out against par. A net par =2 points. So if you shot net par overall that would be 36 points. How did you get to 37?

 

[pbrown7582]

I was reading this thread with interest as I played in the medal on Saturday and shot net par, and got cut 0.3. I still don't understand the calculations required, but using the above, I should have been cut 0.6...... I think?

Course SSS 69 Par 71 CSS 72 I scored 37 points using stableford calculations. Using the equation above:

37 - 36 + 72 - 71 = 2 shots......

Have I got that wrong?

If you had nett par 71 should be 36points CSS is 72 meaning comp points total for par is 35 you are 1 under so 0.3 cut.

 

[need_my_wedge]

Possibly. Stableford points are worked out against par. A net par =2 points. So if you shot net par overall that would be 36 points. How did you get to 37?

By being a complete nob in my stableford calculation..... three times over..... 2 shots off a bogey is net birdie for 3 points, but for some reason my brain kept putting it down as 4 points.... All makes perfect sense now, thanks chaps.