CSS and Reductions Only

[BTatHome]

Not sure about this as I haven't been reading much about reductions only qualifiers ....

Quite a bad day today on the course, lots of high scores, but a few guys around 36 and 35pts. Par/SSS are 72 at my club, and CSS was showing at 75 on leaderboard estimate, with a few players still out playing. So one of the guys on 35 was worried that if more high scores came in then the comp would go to Reductions Only, of course at the moment he would get a cut, but he said that if it goes to Reductions Only then he wouldn't get cut as only those with better than 36 would get cut.

I honestly have no idea as hardly ever see Reductions Only, anybody know if this is true, seems a little unfair to me.

 

[fundy]

Am pretty sure when it is reduction only you still get quoted a CSS plus the RO and that CSS is SSS +3. So in your case it will become 75RO so he will be cut based off a CSS of 75. Not 100% certain but pretty sure this is how it works, no doubt someone better informed will confirm hopefully

 

[BTatHome]

Am pretty sure when it is reduction only you still get quoted a CSS plus the RO and that CSS is SSS +3. So in your case it will become 75RO so he will be cut based off a CSS of 75. Not 100% certain but pretty sure this is how it works, no doubt someone better informed will confirm hopefully

That's what I argued (ie. That CSS would be set at 75 .... but with no confirmed knowledge admittedly), the guy in question was adamant that if it went RO then he wouldn't get a cut as he didn't break 36 ... just didn't make sense to me, but he was insisting that he had seen it before.

Anyway will be interesting as I had 34 and would be happy with a small cut again

 

[fundy]

That's what I argued (ie. That CSS would be set at 75 .... but with no confirmed knowledge admittedly), the guy in question was adamant that if it went RO then he wouldn't get a cut as he didn't break 36 ... just didn't make sense to me, but he was insisting that he had seen it before.

Anyway will be interesting as I had 34 and would be happy with a small cut again

History tends to show just because people are adamant and argue strongly rarely makes them right in these sort of situations! In fact im pretty sure the more they argue the more likely they are to be wrong

 

[fundy]

http://www.congu.com/faqs/what_affects_handicap.pdf

Q/A no 8 seems to confirm

 

[BTatHome]

History tends to show just because people are adamant and argue strongly rarely makes them right in these sort of situations! In fact im pretty sure the more they argue the more likely they are to be wrong

your right, first time I've actually been in a place to be affected by a RO comp .... they usually just stop me from adding 0.1

 

[BTatHome]

http://www.congu.com/faqs/what_affects_handicap.pdf

Q/A no 8 seems to confirm

Q.8 A player should know before he competes what is required of him to play to, or better, his handicap. How can, for example, CONGU® justify a situation in which the CSS reduces to one stroke less than the SSS of the course? This can result in a player being denied a reduction in handicap or scoring outside the relevant buffer zone
A.8 The Course Rating system from which the SSS is derived is based on normal midseason playing conditions and includes an allowance for average wind speeds at the various golfing locations. When course or weather conditions are more or less difficult than ‘average’ the expectation is that scoring will be affected. Scoring conditions more favourable than ‘average’ include little or no wind, favourable pin positions and additional roll. In such circumstances the CSS can be one stroke less than the SSS. Conversely in unfavourable weather and course conditions the CSS can increase by up to three strokes above the SSS. In extreme circumstances the competition can become ‘SSS + 3 Reduction Only’. The intent of the CSS system is to standardise the ‘reward’ for equal performance in different playing circumstances. For example, by applying the CSS system the performance of a player who returns a net score 2 strokes below the SSS on a day of high wind when the CSS is calculated to be SSS +3 (Net Differential -5) equates to that of another player returning a net score 6 strokes below the SSS on a day when the CSS is calculated to be SSS-1 (Net Differential -5)

 

[Foxholer]

The guy is worried needlessly!

If he scores better than CSS, he will get a cut! Reduction Only simply means nobody gets +0.1 - Reduction Only describes it perfectly!

 

[Ian_S]

That's what I argued (ie. That CSS would be set at 75 .... but with no confirmed knowledge admittedly), the guy in question was adamant that if it went RO then he wouldn't get a cut as he didn't break 36 ... just didn't make sense to me, but he was insisting that he had seen it before.

Anyway will be interesting as I had 34 and would be happy with a small cut again

I always enjoy the adamant arguer. Whenever it happens it's one of three things a) golf has a completely nonsense rule, b) the rule was implemented incorrectly last time or c) the player misunderstood what actually happened.

It's funny how people will stick to a) and almost won't even accept that b) or c) are a possibility.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

He will get cut. If it goes RO, CSS will be +3 and handicaps adjusted downwards off of that.

 

[patricks148]

we had a very low scoring stableford yesterday, winner 33 points, with a couple of guys on 32 and a couple more 31, only two cat one players the rest cat 2/3 computer still says the normal CSS of 73, i can't see how thats not RO?

 

[rosecott]

we had a very low scoring stableford yesterday, winner 33 points, with a couple of guys on 32 and a couple more 31, only two cat one players the rest cat 2/3 computer still says the normal CSS of 73, i can't see how thats not RO?

Your course at par 71, SSS 73:

Playing to handicap = 34 points
Cat 1 buffers at 33 points or better
Cat 2 buffers at 32 points or better
Cat 3 buffers at 31 points or better

So, the 31s, 32s and 33s as a proportion of all Cats 1, 2 and 3 dictates what CSS will be.

 

[Foxholer]

Your course at par 71, SSS 73:

Playing to handicap = 34 points
Cat 1 buffers at 33 points or better
Cat 2 buffers at 32 points or better
Cat 3 buffers at 31 points or better

So, the 31s, 32s and 33s as a proportion of all Cats 1, 2 and 3 dictates what CSS will be.

And it's not a 'simple' proportion either. Each category has a slightly different weighting and is then matched against a table to determine 'best fit'.

 

[patricks148]

Your course at par 71, SSS 73:

Playing to handicap = 34 points
Cat 1 buffers at 33 points or better
Cat 2 buffers at 32 points or better
Cat 3 buffers at 31 points or better

So, the 31s, 32s and 33s as a proportion of all Cats 1, 2 and 3 dictates what CSS will be.

Winner cat 2 with 33, cat 2/3 at 32 and only 1 cat 1 whole shot 31 points the rest being 2/3/4

 

[patricks148]

Winner cat 2 with 33, cat 2/3 at 32 and only 1 cat 1 whole shot 31 points the rest being 2/3/4

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