Course management & confidence

Ian_S

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Ok so I've been thinking about this one a bit today.

Last weekend, I was 4 under handicap through 13 and knew it (following my own advice the other week of getting used to playing while knowing your score, so that should some dillock you are playing with decide to open his mouth it won't affect you) so I know I'm in contention for a win but may need a little more yet.

Our 14th is a 577yd par 5, with water ending about 15 yards in front of the green. Normally this is a couple of decent strikes and I'm playing in from 150 no problem. However I pushed my tee shot into the fairway bunker. Had a decent but not great lie and ended up hitting my 4-iron out with a little hook (no doubting the 4-iron is the right shot because if it comes off I've got an approach, if it doesn't I'm laying up which I would be anyway if I splashed out).

So, if you're still reading, I ended up with a roughly 205 yard shot, needing to carry 190 to get over the water, from the semi-rough. Now course management would normally say that's a big ask, just hit a wedge to around 110 and then get on for a 6, possibly a 5 if you hit in close. I decided 'nah, I'm not hitting a half wedge, I'm hitting the ball well, I'm going for this' and got the 5-wood out. That's about my 5-wood distance, but I've got no cover if I mishit it. If I stuff it up, it's wet and I'm out of the comp.

As it turned out, the gamble worked. I creamed the 5-wood, was off the back of the green and with a simple chip-and-putt I made par to move to 5 under handicap. On the walk to the next tee, one of my playing partners remarked that he nearly asked 'what are you doing with that wood?'

Long way of asking the question, but what was I doing with that wood? You always have to be wary of outcome bias. Is a 19 handicapper taking on a 200 yard shot over water sensible? Does the fact that I was playing well to that point change that? Or did I take a huge risk, get away with it and win by a single stroke on the grounds of a fair chunk of luck?
 
4 under handicap at the time. no real need to take on the shot. a net par would have done you.

this game sometimes rewards, "he who dares". this time it did. on another occasion you may rue a similar shot.

as you say though, your tail was up, you were hitting it well and thought why not.

on the situation you describe, in the semi rough, I would still check to see if the lie is any good and can I miss safely. ie out the back to one side etc. making sure I take the water out of play. if not id probably just lay up.

thin line between bravery and stupidity. fair play for having a go.

whatever you do, make up your mind. having doubts in the middle of your backswing is the last thing anyone needs.

:thup:
 
What you did actually WAS Course Management!

You considered the options; chose which one to go for, knowing the consequences if it did/did not work, and committed to the selected option.

What isn't proper Course Management is blindly reaching for a club without considering, deciding and/or committing!

Had you failed to get across the water, it would have merely been a 'bad decision', which is different from bad Course Management.
 
Sounds as if you assesed the situation to the confidence you had and how you were playing and chose the shot to suit, as proved by the result it was a good choice. Good sound positive thinking not only with the 3rd but the 4 iron out of the bunker. :thup:

A nice cut came your way did you get the W too?
 
To answer the question - "what were you doing?" - You were backing yourself.

You had (probably in the space of a second or two) assessed the lie, assessed the risk, assessed your swing 'of the day' and committed to the shot. Well played.

Another lie/day you might have chosen two wedges and a putt for the same score - and that might have been right.

Sounds like a cracking day out!!! Well done.

This 19 'capper would have no chance of a 190 carry off the deck - so you had a choice that I would not have had - unless I factored in 'the skipper' - two bounces on the lake into the hole:angry:
 
Handicap isn't too relevant to your ball striking. If you are a decent striker AND if you're having a good day, go for it. If its any iffy day, lay up.
 
whilst I agree the logic you applied to your bunker shot seems sound, I have to differ over the 5 wood.

my reason is your own explanation - you pulled off the risky shot but still had a chip and putt situation ie your reward was more of a magnitude one than a clear opportunity for a gain proportionate to the risk.

now, you don't tell us what the actuall water carry is which is obviously a factor, the pin position and any other refinements, but I would want to see a slightly better probability reward than it appears from the description. you can be quite precise with your probabilities even though they are only that - and it can help make the real decision apparent.

it's entirely possibly that this actually existed - for example 'perfect lie in the semi with the grass lying the way I'm playing, flag 2/3 on the green in the middle and your 5 wood carry should land on the front 1/3 of the green.

I do agree with those who suggest that the final decision can't ignore how you are playing at the time (swinging/feeling/etc)
 
i think there is more of an issue with golfers taking on shots they just cannot make. last round i played - was on a solid score, final par 5 of the round, a decent drive, but left 240 ish to the pin. knew i couldn't make it with my 2 iron, so didn't bother risking it, took 6iron, and then nipped it to 4 feet with my lob wedge. if i'd been 215 out after the drive i'd have taken it on no question, because i know 9/10 times i'll be up around the green at worst. i see a lot of golfers automatically hit 3 wood from 240 ish, get no where near the green with a good shot, but with a massive risk of topping, slicing, hooking it (which is what usually happens). most of the time when they get it up to 40 yards from the green after a good hit they end up duffing the next one or 3 putting anyway, so why not reach for a safety club first of all and leave yourself a nice comfortable distance for a wee wedge into the green.
 
at 4 under handicap with 18 shots this was a big risk. as you say, you knew if you didn't catch it right you were out of contention in the comp.

net par at 13 leaves you 5 holes to further improve your score if the situation allows. 4 under may well have won you the comp anyway.

the more I think I about this situation, the more it screams lay up.



could you have got your lay up closer than 110yards?
 
Another thing with taking the risky option is being able to accept it going wrong. Anyone who broods over bad results for a couple of holes I'd say don't risk it.

The worst that happens is that you dunk it then drop in the perfect layup spot, so it only costs one shot if you don't make it over the water.

The only other thing to consider, is would you have taken it on if your drive (best one ever or hit a sprinkler head) had finished where your 4 iron out of the bunker had so you're laying 1 not 2?
If it's strokeplay, unless you know what score wins it for you, the object is always to get down in the least amount of shots from wherever you are now, regardless of how many you've taken to get there.
 
Just had a rotten range session so confidence for Woburn taken a big dip. I did have a plan but that has been revised to a more conservative mindset. Trouble is the tee shot is the biggest issue and even the ever faithful three and five woods were mis-firing. Lots going on at home so hoping the mind just wasn't on the job and I was thinking too much and not trusting what I have. Hoping the wit and repartee tomorrow will take my mind away and I can just swing and sod the consequences

On the plus side Phil The Frag has set the bar nice and low after his first round yesterday and feel comfy I can reach those not so lofty heights
 
Its a gamble. You gambled and this time you won. Over the course of 10 goes, though, you might do better to lay up. Take the good score and run. Think about the next one when you reach it.

Well played.
 
Just had a rotten range session so confidence for Woburn taken a big dip. I did have a plan but that has been revised to a more conservative mindset. Trouble is the tee shot is the biggest issue and even the ever faithful three and five woods were mis-firing. Lots going on at home so hoping the mind just wasn't on the job and I was thinking too much and not trusting what I have. Hoping the wit and repartee tomorrow will take my mind away and I can just swing and sod the consequences

On the plus side Phil The Frag has set the bar nice and low after his first round yesterday and feel comfy I can reach those not so lofty heights
I was the same last wk,played Sunday & had a mare. Played the following Thursday with no real confidence & shot my PB.
Funny old game
 
I'm not sure what you call it but I wouldn't have taken it on

Didn't have time to elaborate earlier but my thinking would be...

1) I'm 4 under my h'cap, I don't need to chase it and I don't need to make a double
2) a 190yd carry over water out of the semi is a 2 in 10 shot for me, I want better odds than that
3) i'm a good wedge player and still have chance of par with bogey at worst

Fair play to the OP, but it ain't one for me
 
Just had a rotten range session so confidence for Woburn taken a big dip. I did have a plan but that has been revised to a more conservative mindset. Trouble is the tee shot is the biggest issue and even the ever faithful three and five woods were mis-firing. Lots going on at home so hoping the mind just wasn't on the job and I was thinking too much and not trusting what I have. Hoping the wit and repartee tomorrow will take my mind away and I can just swing and sod the consequences
On the plus side Phil The Frag has set the bar nice and low after his first round yesterday and feel comfy I can reach those not so lofty heights


Be Positive you need to set your mindset and the bar Higher the fragger (what happened to 4 2 for 4???....)
Being out first im sure the gathered troops on the tee will encourage you to rip it and away you go!
Roll on the morning. :whoo:
 
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