Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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Well Bob Ryanair were extremely good. Face masks on all the way on the flight, no standing in corridors waiting for the loo. helped that the plane was less than 50% full.

The downside was ‘ kids’ around 30 not wearing masks on the bus from the plane to the terminal. Totally irresponsible
 

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Younger Colch jnr has been off school all week with a cough. School won't let him back without a negative PCR test. Took him yesterday and had one myself as I've also got a cough. We're waiting for the results to come back, hopefully later today. The question I've got is, as we've got symptoms should we be isolating until the results come back? As it happens neither of us has left the house since Monday, apart from the test yesterday, but I need to go shopping today. Under the rules do I have to wait until I get a negative result before I go out?
 

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Younger Colch jnr has been off school all week with a cough. School won't let him back without a negative PCR test. Took him yesterday and had one myself as I've also got a cough. We're waiting for the results to come back, hopefully later today. The question I've got is, as we've got symptoms should we be isolating until the results come back? As it happens neither of us has left the house since Monday, apart from the test yesterday, but I need to go shopping today. Under the rules do I have to wait until I get a negative result before I go out?
Yes, you should self-isolate until you get a negative test result.
 

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A musician friend caught Covid, while playing at a small but very busy venue . Fortunately he has been double jabbed, he's now isolating and only has mild symptoms so far.
BTW I refused to go to the gig because the venue was so small PHEW !!
 

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Shouldn’t she self isolate or have got tested?
Not if she's double vaxxed (plus 14 days).

Basically you only self isolate if you have symptoms or have tested positive. On the basis that you are double vaxxed, if someone else in your household has symptoms or even if they're positive you can carry on with your normal life.
 

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so the holiday industry kinda gets a boost but not til October the 4th re PCR test. Why wait over 2 weeks When it is already stated they are an expensive waste of time. The mind still boggles.
 
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Not if she's double vaxxed (plus 14 days).

Basically you only self isolate if you have symptoms or have tested positive. On the basis that you are double vaxxed, if someone else in your household has symptoms or even if they're positive you can carry on with your normal life.
Just because you 'can' doesn't mean you should.
 
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I’m confused about the dropping of the PCR test for travellers, with reliance being placed upon the LF test.

My understanding is that LF testing provides a useful indicator of the level of infection in a population based upon a statistically significant sample size taken from that population - but that it is unreliable as a test for infection in a single individual. For an accurate test for the presence of the virus you have to take a PCR test.

Have I got that all wrong.
 

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I’m confused about the dropping of the PCR test for travellers, with reliance being placed upon the LF test.

My understanding is that LF testing provides a useful indicator of the level of infection in a population based upon a statistically significant sample size taken from that population - but that it is unreliable as a test for infection in a single individual. For an accurate test for the presence of the virus you have to take a PCR test.

Have I got that all wrong.
Nope, you aren't wrong. LFTs are quick, convenient and cheap. People who do not have the lurgy are very unlikely to test positive, but people who do have the infection, especially if quite recent and viral levels are low, may not test positive. So you don't unnecessarily impose restrictions on people who don't need them, but you miss doing so on some people who do need them. That is not a major concern for epidemiological prevalence studies, not so great for testing people 'for cause', whether due to symptoms or high risk exposure.

The LFT is therefore the 'do something because we can't be seen to do nothing' test, whereas the PCR is the 'we really want to play this safe' test.

It is all driven by the travel industry lobbying to remove obstacles to people travelling, not based on a desire for accurate test results. I get this. Our family loves their overseas holiday and my boys are at ages where it is a great experience for them. We went away in summer 2019, but not 2020 or 2021, and that is a long time for a 11 or 13 year old. We would have loved to go somewhere this year but decided it just wasn't work the risk of getting stuck somewhere due to an outbreak or change in regulations. So I get it, but it could be a rather short-sighted strategy, and the unavoidable assumption must be that The Man is prepared to tolerate a certain level of endemic virus if it takes some of the business pressure off. The problem is it is rather hard to know what level of endemic virus you are going to get.
 

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Are any of the issues with the lateral flow tests due to them not being taken correctly? For example not inserting the swab far enough up the nose or not leaving it in the liquid for long enough before testing it? I guess I'm asking if user error plays a part in the results being less accurate.
 

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Are any of the issues with the lateral flow tests due to them not being taken correctly? For example not inserting the swab far enough up the nose or not leaving it in the liquid for long enough before testing it? I guess I'm asking if user error plays a part in the results being less accurate.
Bad technique certainly doesn't help. The LFT sacrifices precision for convenience.

A PCR test detects genetic material (RNA) associated with the virus. That is very sensitive, but can pick up "dead" virus too. The LFT test doesn't detect genetic material but looks for antigens, proteins associated with the virus that the immune system responds to. You need a certain level of protein to trigger a positive LFT, so lower levels with an early infection may test negative. The LFT tests could be set to reduce the number of false negatives, people who have the virus but test negative, but that would increase, perhaps dramatically, the number of false positives, because most people don't have the virus, even a small percentage increase in false positives is a lot of people who 99% are true negatives.
 

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Anyone else watch the film Help, about a Covid breach in a Liverpool care home.
Tough watch for anyone with relatives in a care home.
My mother passed away in a care home just over a year ago.
Thankfully they had no Covid cases and apart from spending nearly all her time in her room was very well looked after.

My MIL is also in a care home that has had no Covid cases.
 

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Anyone else watch the film Help, about a Covid breach in a Liverpool care home.
Tough watch for anyone with relatives in a care home.
My mother passed away in a care home just over a year ago.
Thankfully they had no Covid cases and apart from spending nearly all her time in her room was very well looked after.

My MIL is also in a care home that has had no Covid cases.
Yes and found it a really good, if, as you say, tough watch. How much was fact and how much fiction I can't say but I can imagine it would have been terrifying for any care home that had an outbreak.
 

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I appreciate that this is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things but a concern for me was that Covid had ruined one of my highlights when staying at a hotel…..the buffet breakfast!! Over the last 12 months the traditional buffet has been replaced with placing your order and having it brought to your table. However, I am pleased to report that this weekend domestic management and I celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary and decided to get a hotel in London and have some child free time. This morning I was greeted by the spectacular sight of the silver domes of the buffet breakfast and we were free to go up and choose our breakfasts. My excitement hit fever pitch as I took my 3rd hash brown without feeling embarrassed when placing that order with the waiter and not feeling that I should balance my sausage and bacon mountain with any vegetables. A small win but one I am happy with!! :):)
 
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@road2ruin I feel this should go in 'Gladden the Heart' 😄.

I'm also a huge fan of a buffet breakfast and used to stay at a hotel in Harrogate that offered one. It was always a highlight of the stay, the range and quality was very good. My in laws stayed there once on my recommendation and afterwards I asked my FiL if he enjoyed the breakfast. 'No, there was far too much on my plate', came the reply. 'Was it not a buffet, you serve yourself?', I replied. 'Yes' he came back with, poker faced o_O:ROFLMAO:.
 

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Not quite the thread topic, but a little related - had a message today that the booked flu jab appointments were cancelled due to delays. Mum had similar note a couple of weeks ago.
 

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Chatting to a work colleague a couple of days ago, he was telling me that he had to leave work early to pick his kids up as he has them while his ex gets over a dose of covid. Get in to work today and find out he is giving me a lift to where I'm due to meet a coach. He's coughing a lung up the whole way. I asked if he's ok, his reply 'oh yeah its not covid definetely not'. I'm fuming tonight as I reckon its 100% covid but he won't get tested. Thinking I should say something to the boss tomorrow, don't want to be a snitch, but...
 
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