Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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We have had infectious illnesses for decades and most parents taught their children basic hygiene znd how reduce the chances of passing it on.

OK so COVID 19 is a particularly nasty disease which needs rather more care but why do people suddenly loose all sense of prudent behaviour and expect to be told what's right by laws.

Nightclubs are not the be all and end all of socialising and a minute part of the economy beyond a few cities.

But nightclubs and music venues had dozens of high profile performers with massive social media followings telling the world how unfair it was that they had to close. The only positive is that they are being remarkably quiet now that their cries to open clubs, venues and festivals is now out of line wiht a lot of the public and totally in liine with government decisions.
 

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Club goers won’t wear masks because masks in a nightclub makes the club cease to be a nightclub and makes it an unattractive place to go for overpriced drink.
Might as well just go to a bar or spoons.
Certain clubs will play music with an increased BPM that attracts clientele that want to dance all night and with that requires a few stimulants. Certainly cannot wear a mask jumping about and chewing your face off.

They won’t be open long no. The irreversible was always reversible.
Exactly!. Club goers will not wear masks. Those that think the clubs can demand they be worn ( on condition of entry, say) and think they will be worn during their patrons stay are being naive. Fuelled up clubbers are not going to wear the masks.
Same for cinemas and theatres. One forummer who goes to the cinema frequently it seems, has recently recounted what he saw , which was masks taken off when the bums went on the seats. And that was before the change in the law.
Also, nowhere much has there been enforcement of the law re masks by shopkeepers, petrol stations, etc etc ( understandably).
It has been the law, but a law left to people's choice .
So the reality of what would happen if nightclubs , cinemas ,theatres opened and masks were required by law, was recognised by the government . They had no doubt been told by the police that enforcement of that law would not be practical. There would be the likelihood of large scale disorder if efforts were made to enforce it. And no doubt they thought the Press would be ready and waiting.
Hence the change from law to advice.
No good tut tutting about allowing lawbreaking etc etc. You try being the Police inspector with ten men (tops) trying to do that at midnight on Friday in almost any city centre. Journos with cameras all set for the ensuing mayhem, etc etc.
Do not think the above puts me in the "I support no masks" camp, because it doesn't.
I believe that masks should be worn in the circumstances as they have been up to now. I continue to do so myself, even in the clubhouse bar whilst buying a drink( which I take outside )
The advice is that they should be. That does not make those giving that advice, but who have decided it isn't to be made unlawful not to do so, supporters of not wearing masks to protect and be protected.
 

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A fair point, out of all industries, nightclubs must be the one most experienced in the removal of people for not complying with rules or refusing admission.
That's right. I tried to get in a night club once and the bouncer wouldn't let me in without a tie, I told him I didn't have one and he said surely I could improvise something. I looked through the car and only had a set of jump leads so put them around my neck.

The Bouncer said he would let me in this time as long as 'I didn't try and start anything'. 😉
 
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We have had infectious illnesses for decades and most parents taught their children basic hygiene znd how reduce the chances of passing it on.

OK so COVID 19 is a particularly nasty disease which needs rather more care but why do people suddenly loose all sense of prudent behaviour and expect to be told what's right by laws.

Nightclubs are not the be all and end all of socialising and a minute part of the economy beyond a few cities.
If the Great British Public is so adapt at infection control, then why are we having a 3rd wave?
Is it because the unvaccinated are mingling?

Surely not 🙄
 
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I know this might sound a little simplistic but nightclubs do have rules on what you wear to gain entry. Even your behaviour in the queue can have a bearing on getting in. I find your comment about clubs not being able to enforce rules rather puerile. Why do you believe they can’t enforce a rule they make?

As for your govt hasn’t mandated Comment… Everyone has been given guidance. If they’re stupid enough, or not adult enough, to follow it….
Fact is simply that clubs and venues won’t try and mandate something that they are not required to mandate and that might impact their numbers. Plus if a club was to try and implement masks as a condition of entry or try and enforce proof of double vax they know things will most likely kick off (though I guess some clubs will try enforcement of DV in Sept when it becomes required); the police will not like it at all, and there is a risk if too much trouble that the club will be shut down. In any case clubs don’t have to implement double vax entry until September - they won’t implement one now when they don’t have to.

The nightclubs consider that they have suffered enough, and so are likely to risk letting in any that can’t prove double vax when that becomes required - what sort of check could police or public health officials do on a crowd in any case - and they are just going to make as much hay as they can whilst the sun shines. They frankly have no other option. Things might turn out otherwise…however…
 
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isn't that a self fulfilling prophecy though, we are worried about being closed due to the spread of covid and so we will cram as many in as we can in a short time, thus exacerbating the spread of covid and causing the event that had them so worried.
It is. But given we are in an exponential growth situation with the delta variant in any case, I’m not sure that nightclubs are going to make things any worse than they ultimately will be - thought they might get to the 100,000-200,000 a day figure a little quicker.
 

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Fact is simply that clubs and venues won’t try and mandate something that they are not required to mandate and that might impact their numbers. Plus if a club was to try and implement masks as a condition of entry or try and enforce proof of double vax they know things will most likely kick off (though I guess some clubs will try enforcement of DV in Sept when it becomes required); the police will not like it at all, and there is a risk if too much trouble that the club will be shut down. In any case clubs don’t have to implement double vax entry until September - they won’t implement one now when they don’t have to.

The nightclubs consider that they have suffered enough, and so are likely to risk letting in any that can’t prove double vax when that becomes required - what sort of check could police or public health officials do on a crowd in any case - and they are just going to make as much hay as they can whilst the sun shines. They frankly have no other option. Things might turn out otherwise…however…
So you say, but I refer you back to my post on it, nightclubs have enforced their rules of entry for years. If they wanted to be socially responsible they’d do the same with this. And in that respect it is the nightclubs that will be at fault for any infections sourced back to their establishments.
 

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It is. But given we are in an exponential growth situation with the delta variant in any case, I’m not sure that nightclubs are going to make things any worse than they ultimately will be - thought they might get to the 100,000-200,000 a day figure a little quicker.
Currently it's not having exponential growth, the numbers seem to have stalled at near 50k at the moment. They may well increase though.
 

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Guy at work got a call yesterday from one his friends who decided to go on holiday to Spain

3 days into his holiday he got covid

He is in isolation in a hotel

He isn't allowed to drink, smoke or go on the balcony

He is allowed one food delivery a week, all the rest is provided.. which looked horrid when he sent some videos through

10 days in there

Then has to pay for new flights home

And people want to go on holiday? Lol 🤣
 
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Guy at work got a call yesterday from one his friends who decided to go on holiday to Spain

3 days into his holiday he got covid

He is in isolation in a hotel

He isn't allowed to drink, smoke or go on the balcony

He is allowed one food delivery a week, all the rest is provided.. which looked horrid when he sent some videos through

10 days in there

Then has to pay for new flights home

And people want to go on holiday? Lol 🤣
“Staycations” wood cladded static caravans and winter stays at centre parcs for me for a couple of years at least.
Don’t need the added stress or restrictions.
 

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“Staycations” wood cladded static caravans and winter stays at centre parcs for me for a couple of years at least.
Don’t need the added stress or restrictions.
Can understand that. Couple of places I want to get back to have a lot of american visitors and every other post on the hotels' facebook page is from someone from the US asking how they avoid having to do this, or how they can get away with that or what happens if they just ignore the restrictions in place. I am sure us Brits are as bad but the Americans seem to take travel restrictions as an affront and any regulations put in place for their safety and the safety of others as an attack on their lieberties and rights as a US citizen.
 

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“Staycations” wood cladded static caravans and winter stays at centre parcs for me for a couple of years at least.
Don’t need the added stress or restrictions.
We did a caravan holiday about a month ago. Was quite good, better than expected. Would do centre parks as well, but we had our last one cancelled eventually and rebooking it was double the price.
 

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Eric Clapton is trying to extend his range beyond racism (he was the stimulus for Rock Against Racism). Won't play venues where vax cert is required. Good, he can join Van, Ian Brown and Richard Ashcroft and [I'll paraphrase as 'take a hike'].
I think his target audience are likely double vaccinated for a while now. At least in this country.

US is different. His audience there is probably a little vaccine hesitant.

We need Little Mix, Ed Sheeran, … to only play vaccine checked gigs to push the younger ones.
 

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I think his target audience are likely double vaccinated for a while now. At least in this country.

US is different. His audience there is probably a little vaccine hesitant.

We need Little Mix, Ed Sheeran, … to only play vaccine checked gigs to push the younger ones.
I think the US is changing a bit. Some of the Republicans are softening their previous anti-vax views, although they are wary of the Trumpish culture war implications. More than a few Covid deniers have been proven fatally wrong. It turns out God (of whom there may be many, or none) is not a reliable protection against the virus.
 

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So I nursed (read skivvied for) my wife and daughter for 10 days after they were both tested positive. I tested negative throughout. 5 days after we finished isolation I got a cough and tested positive, so we have another period to go through. No serious impacts thankfully (feels like a summer cold), but it has meant postponing the semi final of our winter pairs knockout!!!

Worst thing is I have lost all sense of taste and smell. Tried a glass of malt last night - nothing. Nada. Zip. Rien. Hope it comes back soon!!!
 

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So I nursed (read skivvied for) my wife and daughter for 10 days after they were both tested positive. I tested negative throughout. 5 days after we finished isolation I got a cough and tested positive, so we have another period to go through. No serious impacts thankfully (feels like a summer cold), but it has meant postponing the semi final of our winter pairs knockout!!!

Worst thing is I have lost all sense of taste and smell. Tried a glass of malt last night - nothing. Nada. Zip. Rien. Hope it comes back soon!!!
I hope they are returning the courtesy in terms of care 😁. Good job you weren't dismissive.

Keep well 👍
 
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