Controversy at Scottish Amateur Championships
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rickg
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Were the SGU correct?
Should he have entered knowing he couldn't play round 2?
Should Yule have been in the next round after the match was "conceded"
Thoughts about Facebook deciding the outcome of a match?
Should he have entered knowing he couldn't play round 2?
Should Yule have been in the next round after the match was "conceded"
Thoughts about Facebook deciding the outcome of a match?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Nothing really controversial!
Just a (not altogether unreasonable) screw-up by the players involved! They should have consulted the Rules official that was with them.
Even a concession during the 18th would have had the desired effect - I believe!
Just a (not altogether unreasonable) screw-up by the players involved! They should have consulted the Rules official that was with them.
Even a concession during the 18th would have had the desired effect - I believe!
rickg
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Seriously?
It's the most controversial thing I've heard recently in Amateur Golf that has made big news.
Would be surprised if this isn't in the main newspapers in the coming week.
FairwayDodger
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I don't understand why you would enter a competition if you were unable to play in the second round? That's just bonkers.
I can see why you might play in strokeplay qualifiers and then make yourself unavailable for the matchplay flight but if you can't play to the end of the matchplay, don't enter round 1! Surely?
Seems pretty harsh to kick the other guy out, don't see the harm in letting him play - wasn't his fault really was it?
I can see why you might play in strokeplay qualifiers and then make yourself unavailable for the matchplay flight but if you can't play to the end of the matchplay, don't enter round 1! Surely?
Seems pretty harsh to kick the other guy out, don't see the harm in letting him play - wasn't his fault really was it?
pbrown7582
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SGU have followed the rules. McMullen should not of played the match or at least told the SGU his intention.
duncan mackie
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sorry but there's nothing controversial that I can see
there's some sad stuff - specifically that an individual wished to be seen to win when he knew he couldn't continue; and the facebook comment was even worse because it's was completely the opposite! At any time prior to the win he could have conceded, which would have been sportsmanship, but he chose to beat the other player.
that was his right, he did, game over
you cannot have your victory and then concede - complete rubbish.
the SGU will have followed due process in establishing whether the match was conceded prior to completion or not but everything points to it not being conceded, and the Facebook post would seem to corroborate that (not prove it)
I suspect (don't know/haven't looked) that WAGR points are involved, and they are certainly important, which would be a significant incentive to win the round even if you can't go any further. Having done so you can't then claim to be magnanimous etc You win, get your points and bow out.
rickg
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All of which has created controversy....
chrisd
Major Champion
It's only controversial because the media picked up on it How can you win a match and arbitrarily decide to put the loser through?
FairwayDodger
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Pretty controversial to effectively concede the match on the 18th fairway but then go on to win it. Gamesmanship of the highest order!
stevek1969
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Basically the lad has payed £75 and got 2 games at Muirfield ,cracking deal
duncan mackie
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if he had been prepared to concede the match there would be no controversy.....
bladeplayer
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Wow . stinker ,
I guess the guy never actually conceded the match ,
but i can also see the misunderstanding of the player that thought he had won..
As its match play i thought the SGU might have let a bit of common sense reign .. but them there rules are the rules i guess
EDIT just saw Duncans comments re possible WAGC ranking points .. makes a difference
I guess the guy never actually conceded the match ,
but i can also see the misunderstanding of the player that thought he had won..
As its match play i thought the SGU might have let a bit of common sense reign .. but them there rules are the rules i guess
EDIT just saw Duncans comments re possible WAGC ranking points .. makes a difference
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Silly boy should never have entered knowing he could not compete to the final.
All he did was to stop another competitor playing in the event.
Even sillier Dad boasting about his sportmanship when he in fact showed the exact opposite.
All he did was to stop another competitor playing in the event.
Even sillier Dad boasting about his sportmanship when he in fact showed the exact opposite.
Ethan
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Well, I agree that the decision is as the SGU stated because you can concede a game but you can't alter the draw.
So I think everything rests on the remarks made by the guy who couldn't play the next round to his opponent, and if these can be taken to be a de facto concession of the match, fine, and the other guy goes through. Otherwise the guy who won the match goes though and then immediately scratches, and his next opponent gets a walk-over.
The only discretion the SGU has is over the determination of whether there was effectively a concession.
So I think everything rests on the remarks made by the guy who couldn't play the next round to his opponent, and if these can be taken to be a de facto concession of the match, fine, and the other guy goes through. Otherwise the guy who won the match goes though and then immediately scratches, and his next opponent gets a walk-over.
The only discretion the SGU has is over the determination of whether there was effectively a concession.
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
whats the difference in this and many on here who have posted they play on one day of a comp knowing they cant play the second day,if you cant play all the rounds in the comp do not enter.
UlyssesSky
Head Pro
^^Spot on.
The rules are clear that it's impossible to concede a match after you've one. The real question is wether something in the line of "no matter what happens on the last hole, you've already one" can be seen as a concession.
I don't see a problem with finishing the round after the concession.
Totally agree with the others regarding the poor sportsmanship of the guy. If you know you can't play more than one round don't play at all so others have a chance to compete.
And if you concede a match make sure your dad doesn't spoil it by bragging about it afterwards in a way that makes the concession void.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Spot on. A lad was at the club yesterday after getting horsed 5&4, he said exactly the same thing. £75 for two rounds at Muirfield - bargain.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Seems strange entering if you know you have a visa interview and can't play. I guess they should have told the rules official what they wanted to do and got a ruling
User20205
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That's me you're referring to knobby. It's this weekend. I asked the sec, he gave me permission. Technically it's 2 comps. A sat comp and an overall. It's also 2 seperate qualifiers. That's the difference.
Some may think it's admirable playing in a comp for handicap purposes even though you can't win
Get back in your box
