Congu changes 2016

[Merv_swerve]

Anyone else just read these changes?

My first reaction is to the 28+ hcaps for club comps. In theory to allow someone to be competitive in the comp before they are at 28 hc standard.

I say, stuff 'em.

Where's the incentive to get down to 28 and less if they can compete playing off 30 odd.

Probably flying off the handle but as someone who started with 120's and now plays off 11, I think they should have to work their knackers off to get to the level where they can compete in comps.

 

[ruff-driver]

 

[c1973]

Anyone else just read these changes?

My first reaction is to the 28+ hcaps for club comps. In theory to allow someone to be competitive in the comp before they are at 28 hc standard.

I say, stuff 'em.

Where's the incentive to get down to 28 and less if they can compete playing off 30 odd.

Probably flying off the handle but as someone who started with 120's and now plays off 11, I think they should have to work their knackers off to get to the level where they can compete in comps.

Not scratch comps one would assume.

 

[happyhacker]

Been flogged to death already but let's do it again

 

[Doh]

I think they are looking at the long term future of the game at club level,how to get more people to join clubs. Make it easier to become competitive quicker, the incentive to get lower is still there.

 

[louise_a]

The thing that interests me, I am due to be handicap secretary next year, is what do you do about the players currently on 28/36 handicap do they get adjusted up based on their previous scoring record or do they stay where they are and just go up in 0.1s

 

[williamalex1]

Anyone else just read these changes?

My first reaction is to the 28+ hcaps for club comps. In theory to allow someone to be competitive in the comp before they are at 28 hc standard.

I say, stuff 'em.

Where's the incentive to get down to 28 and less if they can compete playing off 30 odd.

Probably flying off the handle but as someone who started with 120's and now plays off 11, I think they should have to work their knackers off to get to the level where they can compete in comps.

They could play at night along with the blind members , cheap rates too.

 

[Beezerk]

Anyone else just read these changes?

My first reaction is to the 28+ hcaps for club comps. In theory to allow someone to be competitive in the comp before they are at 28 hc standard.

I say, stuff 'em.

Where's the incentive to get down to 28 and less if they can compete playing off 30 odd.

Probably flying off the handle but as someone who started with 120's and now plays off 11, I think they should have to work their knackers off to get to the level where they can compete in comps.

And golfers wonder why the general public think golf clubs are cliquey

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The changes in regards HC increase aren't compulsory

 

[Bigfoot]

It will actually get people to play and feel part of everything earlier. So long as they play a provisional after a poor shot, they will be encouraged as the handicap will give a chance to score.

Can only be good for the game. Everyone has to start somewhere.

 

[Fyldewhite]

The changes in regards HC increase aren't compulsory

Correct, and I'd be interested to see how many clubs adopt them for "normal" competition play. I'd guess very few.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Correct, and I'd be interested to see how many clubs adopt them for "normal" competition play. I'd guess very few.

I don't believe we will adopt the changes

 

[williamalex1]

Most H/C open comps set a max limit, and have ballots for higher h/cs.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It has pros and cons. Great for getting new members involved which has to be good but only if clubs accept it and there is the issue. I don't think many will. Where does leave the brand new golfer wanting to join a club and get involved. Same place as they are now.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just had our Club Comp this weekend, (Course is Par 70) to get more to enter the Gross and Nett comps are run together, draw done by handicap, no different to most Clubs I imagine, one guy in our 3 Ball dropped out yesterday and we were asked if we'd mind a 28 Handicapper playing instead, obviously said no problem, the young lad has been playing 6 months and has yet to break 100, he was great company keen as mustard practising as much as he can, he went round in 110 and 108, so even if he'd of been given a handicap of 36 he would of had a nett 82 and 80, he was competitive, he was trying his best, never slow, why do we think that if we start at 36 it will suddenly make people stop trying, surely we can still make some comps Max 28 or 18 like we do now, but for me the sooner someone has a realistic measureable handicap the sooner they can try to reduce it.

 

[duncan mackie]

The thing that interests me, I am due to be handicap secretary next year, is what do you do about the players currently on 28/36 handicap do they get adjusted up based on their previous scoring record or do they stay where they are and just go up in 0.1s

This is the important issue - and crosses over into the decision clubs have to make.

Without the decision to invoke cat 5 there's nothing to do - effectively the inclusion of cat 4 into the CSS calculation will now strengthen the club's handicaps overall.

If you invoke cat 5 you simply have scope at the next AR; and the additional review process, to adjust old handicaps as well as the usual adjustments. We have a number of people are no longer able to play to 28 (they have been 28.0 for a long time) and fore the issue is really clear - either handicap them properly to enjoy their golf or watch them leave to somewhere else!

This is short term anyway - 2020 and thee won't be a whole lot of choices!

 

[williamalex1]

If there is a separate cat 5 section I cant see a problem.

 

[hovis]

Brilliant

 

[hovis]

No one should have more than one shot per hole

 

[Ethan]

Is there any evidence that participation rates in golf are depressed due to the current handicap system?

Anyway, the problem with handicaps is variability. Even if a player has submitted honest cards and obtained a genuine handicap of 36, it is likely that their range of possible scores (in terms of +/- handicap) will still be much wider than for a single figure handicapper. The high man (or woman) on a good day might get round in 22 over, which is a nice 50 points. On other days they may take 130. The low player will never score 50 points unless they break the course record.

Since comps are determined by the lowest score, even if a fluke, then the higher players get an advantage and become more likely to win. So I think it starts to become even more important of segmenting comps by handicap.