Competition played over two courses

[backwoodsman]

The following arose as part of a casual discussion

Could a ompetition be played as an 18 hole stableford, played over either one of two courses

Course A - par 71, CR 70.2, Slope 129
Course B - par 69, CR 69.1, Slope 119

Players would use Course Handicaps appropriate to the course.

Then, if one player on each course scored, say, 36 points, would those scores be equivalent? Or would some form of adjustment be needed?

 

[Swango1980]

The following arose as part of a casual discussion

Could a ompetition be played as an 18 hole stableford, played over either one of two courses

Course A - par 71, CR 70.2, Slope 129
Course B - par 69, CR 69.1, Slope 119

Players would use Course Handicaps appropriate to the course.

Then, if one player on each course scored, say, 36 points, would those scores be equivalent? Or would some form of adjustment be needed?

36 points on one course would not be the same as 36 points on another necessarily. Course A, 37 points is playing to handicap (well, 36.8 points to be exact). On Course B, 36 points is playing to handicap (well, 35.9 points to be exact). Those numbers are based on the Course Handicap, not the Playing Handicap.

The above also does not consider any potential differences in PCC, which could be different at both courses on the day of the competition.

 

[Colin L]

Yes to your first question, no to your second.
There is no problem in playing a stableford over two or more courses.
You have to make an adjustment in your example, however. If you play to your handicap on Course A, that is, a net score of 70, you will have played one under net par and have scored 37 points.
If I play to my handicap on Course B, that is, a net score of 69, I will have returned a net par and have scored 36 points. To equalise us, I will need to be given an extra handicap stroke.

 

[backwoodsman]

Yes to your first question, no to your second.
There is no problem in playing a stableford over two or more courses.
You have to make an adjustment in your example, however. If you play to your handicap on Course A, that is, a net score of 70, you will have played one under net par and have scored 37 points.
If I play to my handicap on Course B, that is, a net score of 69, I will have returned a net par and have scored 36 points. To equalise us, I will need to be given an extra handicap stroke.

Forgive me for being dim - so that means you're saying 36 points (or 30, or 35, or 40) on each course are not equal? And "yes" an adjustment is necessary.

And would i be right in thinking the adjustment is therefore (give or take) the difference between CR minus Par for each course ? (eg course X CR-Par = -1 and course Y CR-Par = +1 so adjustment would be 2 shots?)

 

[Neilds]

Yes to your first question, no to your second.
There is no problem in playing a stableford over two or more courses.
You have to make an adjustment in your example, however. If you play to your handicap on Course A, that is, a net score of 70, you will have played one under net par and have scored 37 points.
If I play to my handicap on Course B, that is, a net score of 69, I will have returned a net par and have scored 36 points. To equalise us, I will need to be given an extra handicap stroke.

That is a really good answer but just not one for the question that was asked ?
The question was does 36 points on course A equal 36 points on course B? Not playing to handicap, points total scored.

 

[SammmeBee]

The following arose as part of a casual discussion

Could a ompetition be played as an 18 hole stableford, played over either one of two courses

Course A - par 71, CR 70.2, Slope 129
Course B - par 69, CR 69.1, Slope 119

Players would use Course Handicaps appropriate to the course.

Then, if one player on each course scored, say, 36 points, would those scores be equivalent? Or would some form of adjustment be needed?

No….they are 2 separate competitions unless you played it over 2 rounds with a round on each course…..

 

[mikejohnchapman]

The following arose as part of a casual discussion

Could a ompetition be played as an 18 hole stableford, played over either one of two courses

Course A - par 71, CR 70.2, Slope 129
Course B - par 69, CR 69.1, Slope 119

Players would use Course Handicaps appropriate to the course.

Then, if one player on each course scored, say, 36 points, would those scores be equivalent? Or would some form of adjustment be needed?

We tried to do this over 3 days for our Senior Championship. Club V1 couldn't cope with 1 comp using 2 courses and updated the handicaps after round 1. Nightmare.

 

[rulefan]

The following arose as part of a casual discussion

Could a ompetition be played as an 18 hole stableford, played over either one of two courses

Course A - par 71, CR 70.2, Slope 129
Course B - par 69, CR 69.1, Slope 119

Players would use Course Handicaps appropriate to the course.

Then, if one player on each course scored, say, 36 points, would those scores be equivalent? Or would some form of adjustment be needed?

Playing Stableford on two courses can cause confusion. Medal is easier. The best Score Differential wins.

 

[backwoodsman]

Reason the question arose was because a few folk were having an away-day at another course - and jokingly asked if theycould still enter a score in the "swindle". Off-the-cuff answer was "Hmm, dunno. Will have to find out if it would be possible ..."

 

[Colin L]

That is a really good answer but just not one for the question that was asked ?
The question was does 36 points on course A equal 36 points on course B? Not playing to handicap, points total scored.

I said yes to the first question: you can play a stableford over two (or more) different courses. You can choose to play from any of our four tees in stablefords at my club, for example.

I said no to the second question: 36 points are not equal on the two courses cited.

 

[Oxfordcomma]

Our club has just experimented with something similar this week, not two courses but multiple tees. For yesterday's midweek stableford, you could choose your tee. The yellow tees were treated as the baseline then as you moved to longer tees you were granted either +1 or +2 shots depending on the tee used. Seems to have worked OK, it was done via competition handicap adjustments so there were some high scores with, for example, people playing off 9 instead of 7 (23 out of 92 were 37 pts or higher) but WHS and IG seem to have coped with it all OK.

 

[Swango1980]

Reason the question arose was because a few folk were having an away-day at another course - and jokingly asked if theycould still enter a score in the "swindle". Off-the-cuff answer was "Hmm, dunno. Will have to find out if it would be possible ..."

I think rulefan has the best answer. Stableford is a recipe for confusion, and using Score Differential would be the better comparison of scores (which would only be known the day after the comp).

I know it doesn't change much, but theoretically the PCC could be -1 on one course and on the other course +3.

 

[backwoodsman]

So, whilst it appears possible, I think our swindle will remain just as "open to those on our course on the day" . To be honest, playing on alternative courses wasn't really likely to be either wanted, or practical. But thanks for responses.