Competition fees

[masterosouffle]

Quick question, at your club how are competition fees / winnings split? Does your club charge take a cut of the entry fees?

Reason I'm asking is I won my first comp last week and with 63 people entering at £3 each (£189) my share as nett winner was £60 with best scratch and second also paid, we have since been told that the club takes 1/3 or entry fees and has done for about a year, none of my PP's were arware of this, I also can't find any communication on this...

Finally, it appears the Sat / Sun monthly medals etc. Are £3 entry with the above contribution and the midweek senior and ladies comps are £2 with no cut to the club which to be honest is annoying me further!

 

[fundy]

Our comps are run by a separate committee as its a proprietary club.

Ours isnt a fixed cut, we pay out fixed prizes depending on what the comp is though over the course of the year we take out approx 1/3 of entry fees.

This goes to pay for trophies, honours board, handicapping software and a few other costs, as a committee we aim to break even year on year

 

[BTatHome]

1/3 sounds a lot but when you include what is paid for it doesn't amount to much ... Hopefully somebody has done a calculation to figure and ensure they aren't making a huge profit from it.

 

[masterosouffle]

1/3 sounds a lot but when you include what is paid for it doesn't amount to much ... Hopefully somebody has done a calculation to figure and ensure they aren't making a huge profit from it.

Should they be making anything from it? Surely that is what the membership fees are for; paying for the running of the club...

 

[Region3]

Our singles comps are £4 and we generally have about 100 enter.

Overall winner £50, then £40/£30/£20 for 3 places in each of 3 divisions.

Prizes are the same regardless of how many enter so sometimes the club lose out, but if they make a bit sometimes it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

The course is run as a separate business to the club so surpluses go towards trophies etc as mentioned above.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

£3.50 entry fee which includes £1.50 for 2's pot, other £2.00 goes to Club, 60% is then used on prizes, other 40% is then used for end of season prizes, honours boards, any remaining money ( very little) at end of season is given towards funding of team hosting at home fixtures for following year.

 

[Hobbit]

I can't remember what cut we have but I do know that by year end that cut has been spent on trophy engraving and honours board gold lettering.

From past experience, I do remember it was almost into £four figures getting everything updated.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We take a cut to pay for the trophies , mementos, boards , presentation evening and also to go towards the annual fee of the comp software - a profit is never made

 

[DCB]

So, on top of the ridiculous annual membership subscriptions you have to pay down South, do you also have to pay an entry fee to take part in a competition ? I take it this isn't a sweep run by the Pro but an actual entry fee for the comp.

Glad I stay up here. Your membership fee covers all your competitions across the season.

 

[BTatHome]

Should they be making anything from it? Surely that is what the membership fees are for; paying for the running of the club...

they shouldn't be making profit from it, but taking a percentage cut does cause some issue. On low turnout events you may have to severely reduce the prize fund to cover the expenditure, and on high turn out events you may end up with a surplus ... they might even themselves out over a year but certainly at our club the handicaps committee have invested any surplus in other items for the club. Hence they don't hold onto any profits as such.

 

[duncan mackie]

We take a cut to pay for the trophies , mementos, boards , presentation evening and also to go towards the annual fee of the comp software - a profit is never made

It's not until you get involved that you start to see how these things add up! Even trophy insurance! Black on light boards are expensive enough but gold is ridiculous. Engraving isn't cheap etc etc
We also have a nominal prize associated with normal comp winners which has varied from engraved glass tankards (brilliant and useful) to glass blocks (used only as doorstops) and lately club shirts embroidered with the comp won ( go down reasonably well) - -these being presented at the awards dinner.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

So, on top of the ridiculous annual membership subscriptions you have to pay down South, do you also have to pay an entry fee to take part in a competition ? I take it this isn't a sweep run by the Pro but an actual entry fee for the comp.

Glad I stay up here. Your membership fee covers all your competitions across the season.

So are all your comps free for the whole season no matter how many you enter.

If that's the case then I am seriously impressed.

Ours are £3 to enter and we pay out 90% ish, we keep 10% back to pay for entry's into county events and for any other events club members might enter that represent Woodhall Spa, the management pay for the boards and trophys to be updated.

 

[hines57]

I have to believe that most committees run medals on a non-profit making basis. We sometimes forget what is involved in the background. The 2's pot is all returned to the participants though and can be more lucrative that the winnings from the medal.

 

[DCB]

So are all your comps free for the whole season no matter how many you enter.

If that's the case then I am seriously impressed.

Ours are £3 to enter and we pay out 90% ish, we keep 10% back to pay for entry's into county events and for any other events club members might enter that represent Woodhall Spa, the management pay for the boards and trophys to be updated.

Yes, all monthly Medal comps, midweek comps, Meetings, Championship and the annual KO matchplays are included in your annual membership fee. We have a voluntary sweep and twos sweep on comp days, but, no comp fee other than entry for an Open comp or Professionals Day.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Yes, all monthly Medal comps, midweek comps, Meetings, Championship and the annual KO matchplays are included in your annual membership fee. We have a voluntary sweep and twos sweep on comp days, but, no comp fee other than entry for an Open comp or Professionals Day.

I am very impressed.

 

[Hobbit]

I have to believe that most committees run medals on a non-profit making basis. We sometimes forget what is involved in the background. The 2's pot is all returned to the participants though and can be more lucrative that the winnings from the medal.

Pretty much all private member's clubs would be foolish to post a profit. Apart from members kicking off for what they might think is skimming off the top, the clubs would lose their partial VAT exemption. This would prove far more costly, and would see subs rise considerably.

Before anyone kicks off with their respective committees, go and ask why...

 

[duncan mackie]

Yes, all monthly Medal comps, midweek comps, Meetings, Championship and the annual KO matchplays are included in your annual membership fee. We have a voluntary sweep and twos sweep on comp days, but, no comp fee other than entry for an Open comp or Professionals Day.

So just to understand more fully - would the winner of the monthly medal receive (say) £50 even if they didn't go into the voluntary sweep? (Obviously on their club card or vouchers etc etc...)

 

[DCB]

No, if you don't enter the sweep than that's you're decision. The Club only awards vouchers for Major comps, our three Meetings and Championship Qualifying and then The Championship itself. Hole & Hole winners get a voucher as well. All winners receive a memento at the prizegiving dinner at the end of the season, the usual engraved crystal glass etc.

 

[duncan mackie]

No, if you don't enter the sweep than that's you're decision. The Club only awards vouchers for Major comps, our three Meetings and Championship Qualifying and then The Championship itself. Hole & Hole winners get a voucher as well. All winners receive a memento at the prizegiving dinner at the end of the season, the usual engraved crystal glass etc.

OK, so to some degree the actual difference is that many clubs are effectively operating a non discretionary sweep, and in our case 2s pot as well, whilst you operate them on a discretionary basis. Where the incidentals such as engraving and boards sit will always vary with club structure and, to a degree, how many board competitions!

 

[DCB]

The Club Champion gets his name up on the board as does the Ladies Champion. No other boards other than the Captain. The trophy cabinet does however reflect the importance of the various competitions throughout the year. Nice to have your name on some of them