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the club championship at my course is played over 2 rounds in one day.to gain entry into the championship you have to play of 8 or better. this is also my club's requirement to get into the team. my problem is i play off 12 i have been at my club for 5 years (the time i've also been playing ).i play every medal and handicap qualifying comp's therefore my handicap is true. so is it fair that i cant enter the club championship. or is this something that i should bring up with the board of directors.also how does the club championship work at your course
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Ours is everyone plays top 24 make the cut into the second day then they battle for the championship. Bit harsh only letting people under 8 play. :(
 
Just about every competition in the whole year at most golf clubs is handicap based. Why can't one competition a year be for a scratch prize without higher handicappers complaining about discrimination? I'm not sure what the handicap spread is at your club but on the whole no-one with a handicap higher than 5 is going to realistically win a club championship so 8 handicap seems a fair enough cut off to me.
 
To be fair to the OP this is a different aspect. His post is about a handicap limit on CC, the other post was about the CC comp format.
 
I'd be pretty hacked off if my club introduced such a penal limit. Our club championship is open to everyone and playd over two days with a halfway cut. The club champion is the one shooting the lowest GROSS score over the two days. There is a handicap prize in conjunction but let me be clear the winner of that is not a club champion. This year the gross prize was won by a guy off 3 and the handicap prize by a 17 handicapper.

We had approximately 80 entries for the first time the two day format has been tried which is up from the 50 or so last year, and included significantly more of your older members who were able to play over two days and couldn't physically manage 36 in one go.

I see no logical reason why a club should want to limit such a big date in the calender to a tiny percentage of the total membership. It seems a blinkered view in my opinion especially as it is still going to be a low handicapper winning the main prize anyway.
 
My club has upwards of 170 single figure golfers out of 700. The club championship is 8 h/c or less. This leads to a big enough field, without including hackers like me.
 
presumably they have a cut off because it is a strokeplay event, how is a 12 handicapper going to beat several scratch golfers over 2 rounds even if you have a really good day. seems fair enough to me even though I think a club championship should be a matchplay event with strokeplay qualifying. while we're on the subject, does anyone know when and where the champion of champions qualifiers are for the GM event (admin?) and also any other champion of champions event (either 08 or 09 champions - somehow defended my title, maybe it wasnt a fluke)
 
My club has around 350 male members (approximately) but of those I reckon only 100 or so regularly participate in competitions and some of those only in stablefords. Short sighted I know but they know that one bad hole isn't the end of the round.

Of these 100 regular participants I would say we have at least 15 or so single figure golfers playing week in week out so percentage wise we aren't doing too badly. We have a very good scratch team. Out of 80 or so entrants in the club championship 14 were single figure golfers.
 
might be a bit of a naive view but I feel that a club championship should be just that, a championship for all members of the club irrespective of handicap. There is a handicap limit at by club and I was frustrated at not being at least able to have a go. Interestingly though there is no handicap limit on the womens championship
 
Our club champs h`cap limit is 9,it is a scratch comp and played over 36 holes.
What are you moaning about, go and practice and get your h`cap down if you want to play in it. If your H`cap is`nt low enough then tough.
And why would you ever want the whole club playing in it! Would you really want an 18 h`capper as your club
champ. :eek:
Jock, the rules of your club champs state that you have to be 8 h`cap, and you play off 12. That is the rule, 8 h`cap. Why do you think that is unfair? Go and practice,practice and practice some more untill your good enough to qualify. Job done.
 
Why do high handicappers want to play in Club Championships, all I hear from high handicappers is "oh no not stroke again" week in week out. Club Championships are STROKE, get over it and don't waste your time entering it. At our club the higher handicapper's complained so much that now we only have 1 stroke comp every month, it's normally on a Wednesday. Captains and President's days are stableford comp's, how many scratch men do you hear of winning those. As someone said it's Club Championship, the best player's in the club enter. The best player in the club over 2 rounds on the same day win's, end of story. Over the last 10 years at our club, it has been the best player throughout the year who has won. Yep, I can say that with confidence. I had to endure a guy playing of 8 shooting 16 over for the 1st round this year. Not good. Then the 2nd round a guy playingoff 5 shooting 15 over. LOVELY.
Club Champion's shoot the lowest gross score = being Club Champion. I still can't understand why they have to through in a net prize!
Rant over
 
I would love to get my handicap lower but seeing as I leave for work at 6.00 in the morning and get back at 8.00 at night the practice, practice, practive option is not really open to me.

My argument is that if all members of a club are equal, pay the same subs etc then why should some be barred from competing for the clubs highest award. I would compare it to the FA Cup, everyone gets a chance to enter. 99% stand no chance of winning but at least get to try and see how far they can go.
 
I have no problem with the format, I like medal comps and have won a couple this season with some other top 3 finishes. I find I focus better in stroke play than in stapleford comps. My point is that if I want to enter, why should I be barred from doing so. Golf is based around a handicap system to allow everyone to compete on a level playing field so why should that be thrown out the window for certain competitions in the year.
 
Golf is based around a handicap system to allow everyone to compete on a level playing field so why should that be thrown out the window for certain competitions in the year.
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Erm...its not based around handicap for the actual club championship, that's the point, it's gross scores that count.

We have one event in the whole year that is not handicap based(the CC), hardly excessive is it? :D
 
That to an extent is the lunacy of the handicap system. No other sport has one. Ie: in tennis, the better player always wins. Now on the one hand, this makes golf great, as any pairing can compete, but for the club championship, it should be a scratch event. The champion should be the best golfer.
There are only really two comps a year for the scratch player. We have the scratch gold (stroke play), and the club champs (stroke play qualifier, then matchplay). To me, this is fine. I don't qualify, and probably never will, but I wouldn't want to change it. If the champs was a handicap event, I would feel a total fraud if I won it.
There are plenty of handicapped comps for me to enter, and get my name on a board. I don't feel deprived in this instance.
Oddly, I can't play in the ladies or Junior comps either, but I don't hear anyone complaining about this.
 
......I would compare it to the FA Cup, everyone gets a chance to enter. 99% stand no chance of winning but at least get to try and see how far they can go.
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I agree GB, no need for the football analogy though. Take The Open Championship, any player with a scratch handicap can enter. Do they have a chance of winning? Not really. Would it devalue the championship? No IMO.

Everyone should be able to enter a club champs, with higher h'caps balloted out if time restrictions dictate. I do think it's only sensible that the groups go out in h'cap order so players of similar ability are grouped together.
 
Your club should be proud of its champion , who is the best player in your club that year. This means gross scores over at least 2 rounds and maybe matchplay to follow if youre a true purist. Simple as that.

I say keep the higher handicaps away from the event by having a max h/c cut line for entry. If you want a handicap club champ for whatever reason , although its a totally meaningless comp imo , then by all means just use a normal monthly medal and say winner is h/c club champ...big deal

Who would go to a club and say "wheres the honours board for the handicap club champ , i'm really interested to know who it is ?"
 
Why discrminate. 99% of our entrants go into the club championship with zero chance of winning. I can't think of any year that a handicap of more than 5 has ever won it. Most golfers will never reach single figures and for the majority at my club, and most others I imagine, most members don't or can't practice, practice practice through a combination or work and family committments and the fact that they don't actually have the inclination. Many will get no better anyway as they have reached a plateau and without paying for expensive lessons to refine technique will only be reinforcing old and probable bad habits.

Our club championship is one of the main focal points of the year and everyone was talking about it for the weeks preceeding last weekend and there were several books being run on the potential gross and net prize winners and those that were going to miss the cut.

A lot of our members don't like medals. Thats a fact and again is probably not isolated to my club. However the stalwarts that playin most competitions throughout the year recgnise its format for deciding a club champion and enter in the knowledge that one bad hole will probably give them the Sunday off. I started with a 7 (on a par 3) and had an 8 (on a par 5) but still thought +8 nett would have a chance (how wrong I was) and so grinded away and acheived that score thanks to two up and downs on 17 and 18.

I had an enjoyable round with a 9 and 17 handicapper who both made the cut. Why should any of us have been deprived of the opportunity to compete in the event just because we aren't single figures. We knew before a ball had been struck that we were only there for the handicap prize. With only 14 single figure golfers entering this year it would have made a mockery of the event to have reduced it to single figure entrants only anyway.

I say if you pay your annual membership and meet the criteria to enter (i.e. sufficient qualifying cards over the previous twelve months) you should be allowed to enter. To put it into context, there is a stableford on Saturday only open to 20+ handicappers which is a gold letter event. You don't here the single or mid-handicappers complaining. We had one a few weeks ago (gold letter again) that is only open to over 50's. Is that fair on people like me. Probably not but they are the rules set by the club so I just get on with it
 
It may be a good idea to have a qualifying round and let everyone have a go. The actual championship would then be for people on form.
I guess the single figure players might feel insulted. :p
 
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