claiming a hole in match play retrospectively

[sJoe]

Hi All
Can someone help.. I recently played a singles matchplay game, we were both off the same handicap so no strokes given. However after 7 holes my opponent says he made a mistake and that his handicap is one more than he declared on the 1st tee..and therefore he won the 4th hole ( stroke index 1) and not halved. So that put me 1 up and not 2up..as he claimed the 4th hole..Can he do this? I went on to win 5 and 4 with his claim or 6 and 5 without it, so the overall result is academic.
Thanks.

 

[Twire]

Not sure, but I would say you need to play off the handicap that was agreed at the start of the match (apart from if he gave you a higher one than his correct handicap) then that I think would be a DQ.

Why did it take him 7 holes to realise he gave you the wrong handicap?

 

[markgs]

I think he is DQ for playing off wrong handicap

 

[Foxholer]

Not on for a couple of reasons...

1. Handicap agreed at start stands if too low - DQ if too high.
2. Agreed result of a hole stands once next hole is started (teeing off) or match over (leaving the final green).

 

[markgs]

DQ HIM you might would have played hole differently if you knew he had a shot

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

DQ HIM you might would have played hole differently if you knew he had a shot

I enjoy how you don't let a small thing like the rules affect your posting, when you're in the rules of golf section

 

[markgs]

claim the match

 

[fundy]

claim the match

geez your attitude is awful, why are you so desperate to dq him/claim the match.

basically he declared he was playing off 7, so thats what he plays off (its lower than his full handicap so no dq!). he cant then change that so at that point you shouldve stayed 2 up and ultimately won 6&5. Oh and tell him not to angle shoot you mid round in future too

 

[Colin L]

Only two references needed here. Rule 6-2a which is clear that if you declare a handicap lower than it actually is, you must play off the declared handicap. And Rule 2-5 which deals with claims. Could your opponent make a claim after 7 holes regarding the 4th? Of course he could - but it would be ruled to be invalid having been made too late. If it had been a timely claim in terms of 2-5, it would be turned down on the basis of 6-2a.

It was your opponent's fault that he declared the wrong handicap. The Rules have a habit of making you responsible for your own statements and actions.

 

[atticusfinch]

Quit mucking around with talk of DQ! Tie the guy to the mainmast and gag him for the duration. :rofl:

 

[sJoe]

Thanks all and especially you colin L..Common sense prevailed, the score stands, but what I wanted was a rule Nos. to support it..so thanks again..Joe..

Only two references needed here. Rule 6-2a which is clear that if you declare a handicap lower than it actually is, you must play off the declared handicap. And Rule 2-5 which deals with claims. Could your opponent make a claim after 7 holes regarding the 4th? Of course he could - but it would be ruled to be invalid having been made too late. If it had been a timely claim in terms of 2-5, it would be turned down on the basis of 6-2a.

It was your opponent's fault that he declared the wrong handicap. The Rules have a habit of making you responsible for your own statements and actions.

 

[markgs]

geez your attitude is awful, why are you so desperate to dq him/claim the match.

Basically he declared he was playing off 7, so thats what he plays off (its lower than his full handicap so no dq!). He cant then change that so at that point you shouldve stayed 2 up and ultimately won 6&5. Oh and tell him not to angle shoot you mid round in future too

dq him

 

[Maninblack4612]

Thanks all and especially you colin L..Common sense prevailed, the score stands, but what I wanted was a rule Nos. to support it..so thanks again..Joe..

Get a "Rules of Golf "book, look up "handicap" in the index and there it is. Simples!

 

[Colin L]

Get a "Rules of Golf "book, look up "handicap" in the index and there it is. Simples!

Asking the question here doesn't seem a bad alternative. :thup:

 

[Maninblack4612]

Asking the question here doesn't seem a bad alternative. :thup:

I prefer the "self help" route.

 

[chrisd]

I prefer the "self help" route.

Not always interpreted correctly though, in the end, on here, the correct answer is always found

 

[Maninblack4612]

Not always interpreted correctly though, in the end, on here, the correct answer is always found

Fair enough where interpretation is required. Not a lot of debate in this case, it's crystal clear.

 

[chrisd]

Fair enough where interpretation is required. Not a lot of debate in this case, it's crystal clear.

Agreed, but they'd hardly be a need for a rules section if we only wanted the difficult ones asked

 

[Maninblack4612]

Agreed, but they'd hardly be a need for a rules section if we only wanted the difficult ones asked

Yes there would! To answer the difficult ones.

 

[chrisd]

Yes there would! To answer the difficult ones.

But your easy one is likely to be someone else's difficult one