Cheating

[NorfolkShaun]

Whats peoples thoughts on cheating?

At our club there is a thought with some players that there is a bit of cheating going on. Mostly leaning towards people playing off the incorrect tees. Today we saw a group playing off the yellows in the stableford. They were approached and suggested they simply had a moment and had done it for a few holes by mistake.

I have to say I have always held the stance that people make mistakes and do not knowingly cheat. However some others just think that they just happen to have been caught and this kind of thing goes on a lot.

Thoughts?

 

[Duckster]

Whats peoples thoughts on cheating?

At our club there is a thought with some players that there is a bit of cheating going on. Mostly leaning towards people playing off the incorrect tees. Today we saw a group playing off the yellows in the stableford. They were approached and suggested they simply had a moment and had done it for a few holes by mistake.

I have to say I have always held the stance that people make mistakes and do not knowingly cheat. However some others just think that they just happen to have been caught and this kind of thing goes on a lot.

Thoughts?

Never mind calling them cheats, after doing it on several holes, isn't that a straight DQ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Whats peoples thoughts on cheating?

At our club there is a thought with some players that there is a bit of cheating going on. Mostly leaning towards people playing off the incorrect tees. Today we saw a group playing off the yellows in the stableford. They were approached and suggested they simply had a moment and had done it for a few holes by mistake.

I have to say I have always held the stance that people make mistakes and do not knowingly cheat. However some others just think that they just happen to have been caught and this kind of thing goes on a lot.

Thoughts?

Surely if they've played off the wrong tee then it's a case of DQ if they don't replay the tee shot. Do these players always play together (assuming no drawn comps) and are they regularly in contention?

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Never mind calling them cheats, after doing it on several holes, isn't that a straight DQ?

The second time they were approached they said they would n/r

 

[Old Skier]

That's why I like drawn comps

 

[NorfolkShaun]

That's why I like drawn comps

Funny you say that, we are going back to drawn comps for majors

 

[Doh]

Shaun

I think you are being a bit to kind there. Anyone who plays regular comps knows what tee they play off.

 

[Norrin Radd]

we have a few rumours at our club about one player and the use of the leather wedge.cant say that i have ever noticed it being put into operation.
i know we have one chap that seems to have trouble adding up and i have more than once reminded him that he took a shot or two more than he was quoting.

as for the op ,sounds very much like blatant cheating.

 

[Guvnor2013]

Rules is rules. The rules of golf cater for this type of thing but it is a matter of having the evidence / catching someone doing it. Unfortunately, the game is one that needs to be largely 'self policed' and whilst there is an argument that they are only cheating themselves - if they are recording victories and collecting prize money (or even getting their names in gold letters in the clubhouse) then they need pulling up. Drawn comps for board comps seems a good way forward generally.

 

[ScienceBoy]

There is golfing and there is cheating. You can only do one, knowingly or otherwise.

 

[chrisd]

It's not always deliberate cheating, but as soon as it's been pointed out then they should DQ if they've already lost the chance to correct the problem. Earlier this summer a group I was in played 18 holes in a mid week medal off the whites when, for the first time ever, it was a yellow tee comp but the pro shop forgot to tell us! I wouldn't be happy to be accused of cheating, but as soon as I found out (after we had submitted our cards) I emailed the Secretary and DQ'd the 4 of us.

 

[RollinThunder]

I've not known cheating in a comp, but I've known some serious cheating in casual rounds, for stag do's, etc. People who've never played before and somehow go around in 85 . I saw a lad slice his tee shot into the trees, top his next shot into a bunker, take 3 shots to get out of the bunker, an approach shot, duff a chip, and then 3-putt, then try to claim a bogey 5!

 

[Beezerk]

we have a few rumours at our club about one player and the use of the leather wedge.cant say that i have ever noticed it being put into operation.

My regular PP and I saw a guy doing this in a comp a couple of years ago, we didn't say anything as we were new members and this guy has been there years, one of the sweep regulars if you know what I mean. Fast forward to this year, it turns out he has quite a reputation as most people we mention it to seem to have come across his devious way. The fella in question always plays with his 3 nephews, they came 2nd in a board comp last Saturday which made me chuckle.
I'm not sure how he gets away with it given how so many members seem to know what he's up to.

 

[Skypilot]

What dictates what tees you should play from?

My partner and I both started playing regularly last year when we retired and have always played off the yellow tees.
We assumed the white tees were for "good" players. Without really knowing what that meant.
We were total crap but could now probably get 28 handicaps if we got our cards signed and they precluded the usual couple of 8's.

 

[Three]

My regular PP and I saw a guy doing this in a comp a couple of years ago, we didn't say anything as we were new members and this guy has been there years, one of the sweep regulars if you know what I mean. Fast forward to this year, it turns out he has quite a reputation as most people we mention it to seem to have come across his devious way. The fella in question always plays with his 3 nephews, they came 2nd in a board comp last Saturday which made me chuckle.
I'm not sure how he gets away with it given how so many members seem to know what he's up to.

He gets away with it because you and several other people don't report him!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He gets away with it because you and several other people don't report him!

That's interesting comment - especially after your issue with the people marking their ball on the green and you hadn't said anything about it.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Results in on HDID, nice to see they all put their cards in despite saying they would not........

 

[Duckster]

Results in on HDID, nice to see they all put their cards in despite saying they would not........

Have you reported them to the comps committee?

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Have you reported them to the comps committee?

Was playing with a committee member so the committee is well aware

 

[MashieNiblick]

Results in on HDID, nice to see they all put their cards in despite saying they would not........

What did they score on the holes where they played from the wrong tee? If it was a stableford comp it might just be that they are not automatically DQ'd and just scored nul points on the holes in question.